The Other 22 Hours: Brandy Clark (Reissue)

We are often sold the myth that success cures insecurity. Brandy Clark joins us to unravel that narrative. Named one of the ‘“30 Greatest Living Songwriters” earlier this year by the New York Times, she is also a Grammy Award-winning artist who has placed her songs with Kacey Musgraves, Miranda Lambert, Reba McEntire, and Keith Urban. In addition, she is the co-writer of the Tony Award-winning musical Shucked.

In this beautiful conversation, originally aired in November 2024, she opens up about her fifteen-year journey to a breakthrough, the courage it takes to be a gay woman in country music, and the importance of only staying in rooms where you feel like a genius.

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In This Episode:

– Brandy Clark
– Cyndi Forman
– Dave Brainard
– Shucked Musical
– Ep 60 – Lori McKenna
– Jessie Jo Dillon
– Ep 43 – Gretchen Peters
– Ep 46 – Mary Chapin Carpenter
– Keith Urban
– Dwight Yoakam
– Brandi Carlile
– Shangri-La Studio– Shane McAnally
– k.d. lang
– Ep 126 – Chely Wright
– Ep 97 – Fancy Hagood

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The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (producer, mixer, musician) and Michaela Anne (songwriter, artist, creative coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work.


Photo Credit: Pamela Springsteen

The Other 22 Hours: Maggie Smith (Reissue)

What if the messiness of life isn’t an obstacle to making art, but the very material itself? In this reissued conversation from our archives, we sit down with New York Times bestselling poet and author Maggie Smith (Good Bones, Dear Writer). Together, we explore what happens when you dismantle the dividing wall between art and everyday life, the discipline of staying in solitude rather than catering to an audience, and how learning to trust your own instincts becomes the ultimate safety net for a sustainable creative life.

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In This Episode:

– Maggie Smith
– “Dear Writer: Pep Talks & Practical Advice for the Creative Life”
– “My Thoughts Have Wings”
– “For Dear Life” – Maggie’s Substack
– Lucinda Williams
– Joan Didion – The Center Will Not Hold documentary
– Jane Goodall
– “Good Bones”
– Jim Carrey commencement speech
– Tara Brach
– Stanley Plumly

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Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.

The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (producer, mixer, musician) and Michaela Anne (songwriter, artist, creative coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work.


Photo Credit: Chad Cochran