The Other 22 Hours: Matraca Berg

We often treat commercial success as the final destination of a creative life, but for legendary songwriter Matraca Berg, it was just the first act. Her songs became major country hits for Martina McBride, Trisha Yearwood, Deana Carter, Kenny Chesney, the Chicks, Patty Loveless, and Reba McEntire, among many others. Matraca’s catalog defines generations of American songwriting.

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We sit down with the GRAMMY-nominated member of the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame on the Other 22 Hours to explore the realities of achieving massive success while battling paralyzing stage fright, the transition from the multi-platinum physical sales era of the 1990s to modern streaming, and how she keeps her creative tank full as the industry has changed around her. In a culture obsessed with youth and immediate output, Matraca offers a grounded, reassuring perspective on aging within an art form, artistic alignment, and learning to trust.

In This Episode:

Matraca Berg
Ep 147 – Jeff Hanna
Sudie Calloway
Mel Tillis
Joni Mitchell
Bluebird Cafe
Clint Black
Nanci Griffith
Ep 60 – Lori McKenna
Bobby Braddock
Harlan Howard
Ashley McBryde
Gary Harrison
Ep 28 – The Wood Brothers
Zach Berkman
Tiger King
Chris Stapleton
Ella Langley
Jessi Colter
Waylon Jennings
Maggie Gyllenhaal
Peter Sarsgaard
Hill Country Barbecue
Jake Gyllenhaal
Minnie Pearl

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The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (producer, mixer, musician) and Michaela Anne (songwriter, artist, creative coach). More about Aaron’s workMore about Michaela Anne’s work.


Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

Photo Credit: Glenn Rose

The Other 22 Hours: Rob Moose

Behind nearly every influential indie-rock and pop record of the last 15 years has been the brilliant mind and hand of string arranger and multi-instrumentalist Rob Moose. The three-time GRAMMY winner has contributed to thousands of records by the likes of Paul Simon, Taylor Swift, Phoebe Bridgers, Bon Iver, St. Vincent, Bruce Hornsby, and Mumford & Sons. In this calming, deeply reflective conversation on The Other 22 Hours, Rob opens up about “peaking” in the live touring industry, the transition to a studio-centric life, and how fatherhood has introduced a powerful focus into his creative process. It is an exploration of legacy, creative boundaries, and why sustaining a 20-year career ultimately comes down to treating music not as an athletic feat, but as a deeply human relationship.

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In This Episode:

Rob Moose
Manhattan School of Music
Columbia University
The New School
Interlochen Arts Academy
Nirvana
Bon Iver
SNL
Paul Simon
Madison Square Garden
Bowery Ballroom
The Artist’s Way – Julia Cameron
Nonesuch Record
Gabe Kahane

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

Photo Credit: Max Wanger

The Other 22 Hours: Michaela Anne & Aaron Shafer-Haiss

To celebrate our 150th episode of The Other 22 Hours, we try a bit of an experiment: interviewing ourselves, for the first time. After nearly two decades of partnership, we examine the evolution of the creative self. Michaela Anne – whose fifth record, These Are The Days, marks her first in over 10 years for which she retains total ownership – discusses the “massive shift of self” required to walk away from industry gatekeepers. Aaron Shafer-Haiss, whose compositions have scored major network dramas like Station 19 and The Good Doctor, reflects on the “utilitarian creativity” of a producer. It is a conversation about resilience, the “growth seesaw” of a creative marriage, and the realization that the dream is already happening.

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In This Episode:

Michaela Anne
Aaron Shafer-Haiss
These Are The Days
Ep 109 Major Jackson
– Nonesuch Records
Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival
Bonnaroo
Cayamo
Mountain Stage
Folks Fest
Middle Tennessee State University
Owen Biddle
Seth Taylor
Ethan Ballinger
Kyshona
Lyle Davinsky
Lauren Balthrop
Post Malone

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

Photo courtesy of the Other 22 Hours.

The Other 22 Hours: Molly Tuttle

Molly Tuttle has shared stages and recorded with Ringo Starr and Billy Strings, yet she still grapples with the unpredictable “ups and downs” of a musician’s schedule and the inherent instability of the road. We talk with the GRAMMY-winning artist – who was also the first woman to win IBMA Guitarist of the Year – about the “baggage” of turning a passion into a profession. We explore the necessity of trusting one’s gut over industry expectations, how she navigates the transition from bluegrass traditionalism to rock-leaning solo projects, and the quiet power of having a partner who understands the nuance of tour routing.

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In This Episode:

Molly Tuttle
Nonesuch Records
Tyler Childers
Berklee College of Music
Ep 3 – The Milk Carton Kids
The Goodbye Girls
The Stray Birds
Ozark Mountain Folk Center
First Ladies of Bluegrass
Alison Brown
Ep 50 – Sierra Hull
Missy Raines
Becky Buller
Ketch Secor
Old Crow Medicine Show
Chris Stapleton
Ep 28 – The Wood Brothers

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

Photo Credit: Ebru Yildiz

The Other 22 Hours: Jeff Hanna (Nitty Gritty Dirt Band)

As a founding member of the legendary Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and a three-time GRAMMY winner, Jeff Hanna has navigated nearly 60 years in the music industry. His resumé includes credits with the likes of Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou Harris, Johnny Cash, and many others. In this episode of the Other 22 Hours we explore the geography of inspiration, from the 1970s Troubadour scene in LA to his 40 years anchored in Nashville’s songwriting community. Jeff reflects on the economy of a perfect line, the creative vitality of a “hard reset,” and why the bedrock of this work has to begin with the simple intention of having fun.

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In This Episode:

Jeff Hanna
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
Matraca Berg
Ep 16 – Rodney Crowell
The Troubadour
The Station Inn
Vinyl Tap
Jackson Browne
Tim Buckley
Poco
Ep 144 – Suzy Bogguss
Ep 43 – Gretchen Peters
Stephen King, On Writing
Jerry Jeff Walker, Mr. Bojangles
The Mavericks
Ringo Starr
Levon Helm
Sheryl Crow
Fred Eltringham

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

Photo Credit: Joshua Britt and Neilson Hubbard

The Other 22 Hours: Joe & Alison Hudak

As the architect behind Rolling Stone Country and the host of their Nashville Now podcast, Joe Hudak has spent decades at the center of the music industry. Along with Alison Abbey Hudak, a veteran editor who has shaped the narrative of Nashville’s elite lifestyle media, they offer a wealth of experience in creative survival. This conversation dives into the “show business” of art, the moral weight of elevating artists who mismanage their influence, and the courage required to admit when a prestigious career has stifled your creative brain.

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In This Episode:

Joe Hudak
Alison Abbey Hudak
Jonathan Bernstein
“People Are Drinking Less Than Ever. What’s Country Music to Do?” – Rolling Stone
Carly Pearce
Kelsea Ballerini
Sterling Drake
Marissa Moss
Nashville Lifestyles
Ep 47 Margo Price & Jeremy Ivey
Carl Jung

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The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (producer, mixer, musician) and Michaela Anne (songwriter, artist, creative coach). More about Aaron’s workMore about Michaela Anne’s work.


Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

Photo Credit: Koury Angelo

The Other 22 Hours: Derek Trucks

What happens to the creative spirit when you have been a professional “lifer” since the age of nine? Derek Trucks, widely considered one of the greatest guitarists of all time and a veteran of the Allman Brothers Band and Eric Clapton’s touring lineup, joins the Other 22 Hours to discuss longevity and leading a 12-piece musical circus. with his Tedeschi Trucks Band co-founder and wife, Susan Tedeschi. We explore the gradual shift from student to teacher, the grounding force of a musical marriage, and the essential practice of “turning the crops” to stay inspired.

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In This Episode:

Tedeschi Trucks Band
Allman Brothers Band
The Beacon Theater
Eric Clapton
Kofi Burbridge
John Lee Hooker
Koko Taylor
Ace Moreland
Colonel Bruce Hampton
Buddy Guy
Joe Walsh
Gregg Allman
Jim Scott
Tom Dowd
A Love Supreme
– Krishnamurti
Mad Dogs & Englishman (movie)

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

Photo Credit: Chapman Baehler

The Other 22 Hours: Suzy Bogguss

How does an artist outlast the industry machine to build a career entirely on her own terms? We sit down with GRAMMY-winner, 1989 ACM Top New Female Vocalist, and 1992 CMA Horizon Award recipient Suzy Bogguss to explore the evolution of her 40-year career, which includes platinum records and her 2026 induction as a member of the Grand Ole Opry. Our conversation is an invitation to reconsider what we all value, moving away from the noise of major label machines and toward a philosophy of quality over quantity, independence, and deep community.

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In This Episode:

Suzy Bogguss
Matraca Berg
Jeff Hanna
Ep 43 – Gretchen Peters
Patty Loveless
Ep 46 – Mary Chapin Carpenter
Capitol Records
CAA
Kathy Mattea
Folk Alliance
Ep 16 – Rodney Crowell
Chet Atkins

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The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (producer, mixer, musician) and Michaela Anne (songwriter, artist, creative coach). More about Aaron’s workMore about Michaela Anne’s work.


Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

Photo Credit: Doug Crider

The Other 22 Hours: Amythyst Kiah

GRAMMY-nominated songwriter Amythyst Kiah has performed with Moby and Billy Strings and is a member of the supergroup Our Native Daughters. She joins us for a startlingly honest look at the “farce of surface-level success.” After a label debut and a whirlwind of global exposure, she found herself “barely hanging on for dear life” amidst the pressure of a rat race industry. We explore her journey to achieve detachment from outcomes, writing for sync licensing as a creative recharge, and the ancient wisdom that helped her trade the self-improvement doom loop for a slower, sustainable creative life.

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In This Episode:

Amythyst Kiah
Our Native Daughters
Brian Eno
Music for Airports
Allison Russell
Tao Te Ching
Marcus Aurelius
–  Siddhartha

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The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (producer, mixer, musician) and Michaela Anne (songwriter, artist, creative coach). More about Aaron’s workMore about Michaela Anne’s work.


Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

Photo Credit: Kevin King

The Other 22 Hours: James Victore

James Victore is an Emmy Award-winning artist and author whose work is held in the permanent collection of the Louvre and has been exhibited many times at MoMA (NYC). Victore has shaped the visual language of institutions from The New York Times to the City of New York. In this conversation, we explore the spiritual gravity of “staying in the pool” when creativity gets hard, discuss the incubation time of the soul, the environmental and creative toll of our want of ease, and the quiet, daily discipline of living consciously in a world designed to keep us asleep.

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In This Episode:

James Victore
Museum of Natural History NYC
Mr Doodle
Keith Haring
Museum of Modern Art (MoMA)
A League of Their Own

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The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (producer, mixer, musician) and Michaela Anne (songwriter, artist, creative coach). More about Aaron’s workMore about Michaela Anne’s work.


Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

Photo Credit: Nick Onken