Tom Brosseau’s ‘In the Shadow of the Hill’ Illuminates the Carter Family Catalog

The impact and legacy of the Carter Family is a story that has been told many times, but we gain a new viewpoint from the mouth of a seasoned troubadour like Tom Brosseau. After decades of defining himself as one of this generation’s most insightful songwriters, Brosseau now takes a moment to pay homage to the Carter Family with his latest album, In the Shadow of the Hill: Songs from the Carter Family Catalogue, Vol. 1.

Volume 1 was recorded and produced by Sean Watkins with guest appearances from Dominique Arciero, Tristan Clarridge, and Sara Watkins. It features themes of love, loss, jealousy, and joy alike. An email interview with Brosseau uncovered from where this album sprouted, how the Carters influenced his own songwriting, and more.

BGS: Describe the experience of making this album. What are some things that stuck out to you as particularly memorable, challenging, or rewarding?

TB: In the Shadow of the Hill came about over a period of years. I don’t really know when it all started for me, but it’s in my blood now. When I was first beginning in music one of the songs I learned was “Wildwood Flower.” I copied the lyrics out by listening to the original recording: “Pale and the leader and eyes look like blue.” I must’ve listened to “Wildwood Flower” a hundred times over and over again, wondering if I’d gotten that line correct. Years later I discovered Wayne Erbsen’s book, [Rural Roots of Bluegrass Music] and while Erbsen lays out the origin of “Wildwood Flower,” I still wondered what it’s all about.

The process was the same with In the Shadow of the Hill as it was with the other albums Sean and I recorded; Grass Punks in 2014, North Dakota Impressions in 2016. I bring the bones of the song, Sean gives it form.

What role has the Carter Family played in influencing your own songwriting?

Carter Family songs never go beyond three minutes in length. While 10″ and 12” discs at 78 RPM (the recording medium of the day) only allowed for three to three-and-a-half minutes, what more could the Carter Family express if given extra time? Anyone who studies 78 music will learn about the art of brevity.

How did you prepare for the making of this album? Was research involved, and if so, what are some things you learned?

In the Shadow of the Hill came about because just enough time had gone by. Like how kernels of corn pop after sitting a little while in a hot, oily kettle. One day I woke and felt like I was part of the Carter Family. I read a number of biographies. Some were good. Ed Kahn’s liner notes to On Border Radio. Sara Watkins gave me a copy of Will You Miss Me When I’m Gone? and said, “Here, read this!” My favorite is Janette Carter’s Living With Memories. Castor oil solves a lot of problems.

Lou Curtiss, a musicologist and record-store owner in San Diego who died in 2018, had a rare tape of when he visited Sara Carter in Angels Camp, California, in the 1960s. Mostly it was her second husband doing all the talking, Coy Bayes, but it was still fun to hear since Sara Carter’s voice lords equally in tone during conversation as in song. What was it like to have been rocked to sleep by a mother with a voice like that?

Is there any song on this album that particularly resonates with you?

Sean and I recorded several songs not included on In the Shadow of the Hill. “While The Band Is Playin’ Dixie” is one of them. There’s a verse in that song that I often think about: “They found within his pocket a blood-stained little note/ A bullet hole had pierced it through and through/ It began with ‘Darling Mary, if I don’t come back again/ Just remember that my last thoughts were of you.’” People can just be so thoughtful sometimes.

Learning Carter Family songs is one of my passions. Eighty out of three hundred I know by heart. There’s a lot of repetition within the catalogue. The songs are three minutes in length. There’s three chords. There’s a lot about love, loss, heartache, death. I’ve picked up a few extra little shimmers of sentiments, though. One is about when nature smiles upon you, a feeling that we are not alone in this world envelops us. What a comfort that is.

If you were to play these songs for Janette, Joe, A.P., and Sara Carter, what would you want them to take away from your performance? What would you want them to remember, feel, think, etc.?

A college professor of mine, a writer, once told me that his hope was that his book would make it into the public library. I think we all wonder who’s going to remember us when we’re gone. I’m among the many who carry the flame of folk music. My hope is to light a few candles along the way.


Photo credit: They Went Rogue

TEN QUESTIONS FOR… John Reilly & Friends

John with his friends Becky and Tom

When most people think of John C Reilly‘s musical talents, various things spring to mind:  his soft-shoeing spin as Amos in Chicago, duetting with Will Ferrell in Step Brothers, and of course in the epic musical bio-pic farce Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (though, to be honest, I’m quite partial to his turn as one of the singing cowboys in Robert Altman’s film version of A Prairie Home Companion).  

But here in LA, Reilly’s musical talents reach well beyond the movie screen.  Tuesday night features John and pals Becky Stark (Lavender Diamond) and singer-songwriter Tom Brosseau (among several other very special guests) at the Bootleg Theatre for a night of roots music and tight harmonies.

BGLA has the scoop from John regarding this week’s performance, his introduction to roots music, and a love of fish tacos that can only be satiated in Los Angeles…

How did the John C Reilly & Friends show come about?

John:  I’ve known Becky[Stark] for a long time through different things for a long time, but a little while ago we did a Dolly Parton/Porter Wagner duet at a benefit in Topanga, and that’s what started it.  I have always been a big fan of close harmony and the first time I saw Tom Brosseau playin Los Feliz I realized a voice like his is such a rare instrument.  I reached out to him and it turned out to be a great combination.  The reason I call it John Reilly and friends is that’s exactly what it is.  So many amazing and talented people from various parts of my life coming together for this music.  The whole thing is just about keeping the candle burning for the songs – we do all covers and it’s just a labor of love.

What are your musical roots?

John:  I grew up with a pretty musical family and did a lot of musical theatre growing up.  I have really eclectic tastes.  Like anything in life, you get in to certain phases. I had a blues band for many years, and through that, realized I was really drawn to the oldest of blues songs which in turn introduced me to roots music.  I am drawn to things that have an eternal quality, and the songs that we sing have something eternal about them.  We make it as much about the community surrounding the music as it is about the music itself.

What are your favorite musical venues in Los Angeles?

John:  The mothership is Largo.  Their attention to the quality of the experience is off the charts.  I’m a big fan too of the Troubadour.  And the Bootleg –they’ve really turned it in to this incredible place.  Talk about community – I’ve been so impressed by what happens there.  LA is such a transient place – I prefer locations with a soul.  All those places have that.

What are your biggest musical influences?

John: The first time I recognized close harmony was The Beatles.  Then you start scratching the surface and discover the Everly Brothers, and if you like the Everly Brothers, you’re going to like the Delmore Brothers and the Blue Sky Boys, etc, etc. Harmony is one of the few magical things human beings can do:  bringing two voices together to create a third special and totally unique thing.

If you could go back to any decade, when would it be?

John:  I would have loved to be alive in the 1920s, but I’m sure I’d be bummed about a lot of things that were going on then too. I’m just trying to make the best of the time I live in I guess.

What is your drink of choice?

John:  Drink of choice is a nice black tea.  Loose leaf.  I’m a bit of a tea snob.

What would be your last meal in Los Angeles?

John:  I am a really big fan of the fish tacos on Sunset Blvd – El Siete Mares I think it’s called?  There is something about fish tacos in LA that is unlike anywhere else.

Do you plan on doing any recording with your friends?

John:  We have two 45s on the Third Man record label [produced by Jack White] and we’re talking about doing an LP prettysoon, it’s just a matter of everyone finding the time.  In the meantime you can hear us on the 45s.

Anything else you’d like to add ahead of the show?

John:  Just know this:  “It is better to light one tiny candle than to curse the darkness.”

John Reilly & Friends is happening this Tuesday, February 28, at the Bootleg Theatre in Echo Park at 8pm.  Tickets are available via The Fold website.  You should be there.

MIXTAPE: Tom Brosseau

If you’ve spent any time within the LA music scene, you know TOM BROSSEAU.  A stalwart of the Southern California songwriting contingent, this North Dakota native frequents the Largo stage on his own and alongside John C Reilly for his John Reilly & Friends act (in addition to opening gigs with The Milk Carton Kids and Punch Brothers).

This summer, Brosseau kicks off a west coast tour with Nickel Creek alum Sean Watkins (who produced Tom’s upcoming album) with their first show in San Diego later this week.  We asked Tom to send us his five favorite songs of the moment, and got one of the most fascinating MIXTAPES we’ve listened to in months.  Here’s an intro to the whole thing from Brosseau himself…

My friends all have good taste in music. They email me videos. ‘Hey, Bruiser,’ (that’s what they call me) ‘get ready to have your mind blown,’ and a clink-of-the-link later I’ll have discovered my new favorite artist, like Chad Morgan and his song ‘Sheik of Scrubby Creek.’

Once I hook on a particular piece of music I listen to it over and over again. Lately I’ve been studying the alternate takes of Jimmie Rodgers, a man whose music I ought to know a little better by the age of 37, but that’s rapidly changing. The Rounder Records Jimmie Rodgers CD set — I can’t seem to get enough of it. One lyric that for many mornings has been playing in my head is ‘My sweatheart understands me, she says I am her big shot / I’m her pistol packin’ daddy, and I know I’ve got the drop.’

I’m really good at garage sales. I’m often proud, triumphant even, locating that certain item so many have overlooked. I throw my hands up in the air, smile with eyes shut in pure exultation, thinking, ‘How insane these people are for not knowing a treasure when they see one!’ A lava lamp, snow cone machine, a pair of sun-worn Stadia with plenty of tread left. Glory never fades, not in my book. 

I hope you enjoy the selections I’ve chosen. You may think of the commentary as a sidecar. In no way are you contracted to read one word of it, or if you do just know I am no authority, but a man of great passion.

 

Track:  Ruby
Artist:  Ricky Skaggs

‘There’s no time like youth to start the mandolin. Otherwise, to in middle age doesn’t make much sense. Although to play well, not fast but well, might take a long time, one thing you do need is good ears, and since the mandolin operates on the high side of the spectrum, and sonically the waves of things high are tighter together to travel farther, like an alarm, it’s more damaging. The upper register is what first begins to fail us as we age. Truly, the pleasure of playing the mandolin must be hard to escape if when you’re a young person that’s you’re calling.

‘Ruby’ comes to me from John C. Reilly. Thanks, amigo. I’ll bet I’ve watched it a thousand times. 

Ricky at 7 years and already making a name in the wide world of Country music and Bluegrass. He was born with something very special, and he’s made a fine career for himself, and no where else in life would his soul fit so verily than here, around music, musicians, but ‘Ruby’ goes beyond the courage of a young person playing on national TV, beyond virtuosity. Just why I have included it on my list has to do with possessioning. A few years ago, at a dog park, a stranger who with her cuddly Labrador named Roberto came up to me and asked permission to introduce her dog to mine. Though I appreciated the notion, the pair would not have made friends, or shall I say my dog was what one might’ve referred to as territorial, and so pleasantly I thanked her but declined. Her objective, though, was harmless and simple. She wanted the two to interact and make a connection, and that’s what would’ve taken place had my Tony, God rest his soul, played ball. ‘You know, a play together,’ she had said questioningly, her arms extended. ‘Your senior dog will inform my puppy on the true ways of the world.’ That’s what I see here with ‘Ruby,’ a vaporous inheritance teeming with information, traveling as it is want from master to pupil, from the folds of years experienced to the climes of yet creased planes.’

 

Track:  Chicken Reel/Arkansas Traveler/Hog on the Mountain
Artist:  Sam Hinton

‘Some people are hesitant to give smaller things the chance. I think of that scene in Men In Black when, for a weapon against Edgar the Bug, Agent J is given the Noisy Cricket. Not at all the cool, high polished steel, shell pumping, loud blasting piece of equipment he had in mind when it came to defending the universe against an evil alien, but looks may be deceiving. 

The Hohner Piccolo harmonica, a harmonica about one-third the size of a regular harmonica, really produces a powerful sound, and when wielded by an expert performer, such as the late great Sam Hinton, it really just makes you smile and fill you with the desire to go out and buy one for yourself. 

It’s my pleasure to introduce those unknown to him Sam Hinton, for whom music was indeed about sharing. Curious about his albums, they’re easy to order. You might begin with Master Of The Diatonic Harmonica.’

 

Track:  The Bull
Artist:  Jake Thackray

‘Portland, Oregon-based songwriter Shelley Short has introduced to me some fantastic songs over the years, including Roger Miller’s ‘Do-Wacka-Do’, an unreleased Dylan song entitled ‘She’s Your Lover Now’, ‘Shake Sugaree’ by Elizabeth Cotten. 

Shelley’s funny. One time driving across Spain Kelly McClean had finally met a peaceful slumber in the backseat when Shelley woke her up just to tell her that Spanish-style rice and beans were her favorite. A wonderful singer, a magical person, a poet, all-knowing, my good friend, my little pal. 

‘Jake Thackray,’ she had said, ‘heard of him?’ I suppose I had stalled a while before beginning the search, partly because I knew that once I had found information on Jake I would be consumed by him. (Shelley’s recommendations do that to you.) What I love about ‘The Bull’, aside from it being masterfully composed, is this performance. I don’t know if a studio version of ‘The Bull’ exists, and in some ways I pleasantly don’t much care, but if it does I would say it is not the definitive version.’

 

Track:  Wild Heart
Artist:  Stevie Nicks

‘If you’ve ever taken vocal lessons, or perhaps your music teacher in elementary school once explained to you where the notes you sing come from, then you must know about the human resonating chambers. But then surely you know the range of your own vocal capabilities. Going high comes quite easily, but you struggle when it comes to going low. Perhaps it’s the other way around, a regular Rick Astley. If so, then going low is a smooth, soundless sea. Naturally you’ve cheered when your team has scored, you’ve growled when someone has encroached upon your territory, you’ve pretended to be a mouse to make the bedtime story more entertaining to your child, in tender times your voice has softened, becoming unfalteringly feather-light. Then see, you do know something about the head, chest, throat, nose.

‘Wild Heart’ here, in demo form, though later cut in the studio and included on the album The Wild Heart (1983), is fantastic in that it shows just how natural Stevie is at singing, a woman who in my opinion is exemplary at handling these four chambers. Her relaxed countenance. Her unflinching eyes. Her nostrils and mouth remain not just open but susceptible. Notice her posture. Her back is erect, yet her upper torso is fluid.’

Track:  First Whippoorwill Song
Artist:  The DeZurik Sisters

‘Some of my first records were compilations. Rhino’s Blues Masters, for example, introduced to me great talents, many of who informed my own playing style and ability. (Lonnie Johnson is a man I dearly love.) Soundtracks, too, can be marvelous compilations, and for a while I became a collector of songs performed by actors and actresses. Karen Allen and Jeff Bridges in Starman singing ‘All I Have To Do Is Dream.’ My father brought home one day a copy of The Apostle, which contains ‘I Love To Tell The Story’, performed by Emmylou Harris and Robert Duvall. 

The DeZurik Sisters came to me on a disc accompanying the magazine Oxford American, and ‘The Arizona Yodeler’ was all I cared listening to for many weeks. What’s most glorious about it all is the DeZuriks rediscovery, which continues today. There isn’t much written about the DeZuriks, but the latest wave might be credited to a simple enthusiastic blog entry posted by singer-songwriter Edith Frost. (Edith’s original thread can be accessed by simply clicking HERE.)’

SHOW REVIEW: John Reilly & Friends

On March 28th, John Reilly & Friends, a collective of artists featuring actor-comedian-musician John C. Reilly, performed a heartfelt set for a packed crowd at Largo in Los Angeles.  Reilly served as emcee, performing most of the songs, making witty comments and introducing his fellow musicians as they took the stage. It was a remarkable evening of music that paired Reilly with singer-songwriter Tom Brosseau, Becky Stark (of My Lavender Diamond), Willie Watson (formerly of Old Crow Medicine Show), Dan Bern (who wrote songs for Reilly’s film Walk Hard) and bassist Sebastian Steinberg.  As the musicians stood on the simple stage, lit by dangling Edison bulbs, and sang into one lone microphone, it was clear that this was the way folk music was meant to be performed – by a group friends playing tunes they love.

In contrast to his comedic persona, Reilly was the musical straight man of the night, allowing the other musicians to color the songs with their own personal style. That’s not to say his own chops weren’t impressive; his pure baritone and acoustic strumming were sterling. Still, his steady vocals and accompaniment provided a core for the other musicians to embellish with their own sound. Reilly and Brosseau’s haunting rendition of “Sinking in the Lonesome Sea” was imbued with the dissonance and melancholy found in Brosseau’s solo work. Stark’s duet with Reilly on the Dolly Parton number “My Blue Tears” showcased her pixie-like personality and lush, emotive voice. Watson’s folk banjo and wailing tenor lent a rollicking old-time feel to his tunes, which got the audience clapping right along.

Reilly’s banter between songs (and occasional jab at his musical costars) was a highlight of the evening. “He’s got a voice like a banjo, don’t he?” he noted about Watson’s signature singing. Later, he teased Brosseau about his hair: “Tom’s going for the full superman curl tonight.” Other times he’d turn his jokes on the setting: “honesty is like a beverage in Los Angeles – it’s a delicious one, but the real stuff’s hard to find.”

Reilly’s comedic candor in this context with the other musicians served another more important role: it made clear that the word “friends” in the group’s title is not just a marketing gimmick. Their camaraderie added a sweetness and honesty to the show, especially in the numbers that saw all six performers gathered together. These group songs, from the slow Celtic traditional “The Auld Triangle” to a raucous interpretation of Woody Guthrie’s “I Ain’t Got No Home In This World Anymore,” featured soulful, tight harmonies in the chorus. Then on each verse a different vocalist would step forward and sing, giving them an opportunity to present their own unique timbre and phrasing. It was a treat to get a feel for the distinct musical styles that merge in this diverse, but unified, community of musicians.

“We’re keeping the old songs alive,” said Reilly early in the show. “That’s the mission of the band.” John Reilly and Friends are doing a hell of a job of reaching that goal. “These songs are your songs as much as they are ours,” said Reilly, “so thank you for sharing them with us.” The pleasure was all ours.