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During Her Longest Break in 25 Years, Wynonna Offers Her ‘Recollections’

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Although she’s been an entertainer for decades, Wynonna says she hasn’t ever been much for making music around the house – at least not until this year.

“I think it’s because I was so famous at 18 that the time home was spent just being quiet, because my world was so noisy,” she tells BGS. “Somebody who came to stay with us for a couple of days made a comment, ‘How come I never hear you hum or sing around the house?’ And I looked at her and I was like, ‘I don’t know!’ I had never thought of it.”

If nothing else, life in quarantine has given this country legend time to think. After all, she’s been touring since the ‘80s, first with the Judds, then as a solo artist, and eventually some of both. 2020 is the first extended break she’s taken since late ’94 and early ’95, for the birth of her son, Elijah, who is now a first responder. (She’s making a lunch for him as we’re speaking.) Off the road now for six months, she says her routine has gone from staring off into space every night, to doing Facebook Live sessions with her husband Cactus Moser, to calling up old friends and dusting off her vinyl records.

And to show for her efforts, she’s releasing an EP of covers titled Recollections. The five-song set offers her intimate, off-the-cuff renditions of classics like Grateful Dead’s “Ramblin’ Rose,” Nina Simone’s “Feelin’ Good” and John Prine’s “Angel From Montgomery,” with some of the project’s audio tracks taken directly from her Facebook live sets. She called BGS from her farm in Franklin, Tennessee, to talk about all of it, and offered a film recommendation, too.

BGS: While listening to this EP, I was pleased to hear that you and I have the same favorite verse of “Angel From Montgomery.” What was on your mind when you recorded that one?

Wynonna: Well, it’s tough and it’s a part of life… I was in the living room and I was just practicing. I haven’t done this much practicing in a long time, but I’m home and what else is there to do?! [Laughs] And I got a text from my agent who was a personal friend of John Prine and his family, and he said that John had passed. I sat there, and it’s one of those weird moments in your life when you get that call. I was overwhelmed, sitting there, and all of a sudden — I’m not kidding — I just started to play it on my guitar. I thought, “Oh my God! Oh my God!” I’ve known this song since I was 15 years old, and I started playing it like I played it all those years ago.

I kid you not, Cactus comes in and I looked at him, he looked at me, and I started singing it – he got tears in his eyes, because it was a moment. It’s like that moment when you stand there doing your vows, it’s just a heavy moment. And I said, “I think we need to do this tonight.” So we did it on Facebook Live, which is what you’re hearing. We’re sitting there together and it’s me paying tribute to my hero. One of my heroes is John Prine and we must not forget what this man gave to us. It was one of those sweet, beautiful moments of reflection on my part of how far I’ve come as an artist.

I know you play acoustic guitar on that, too. Which guitar did you play?

I played the biggest Gibson you can get. I’ve always played a big guitar, for obvious reasons. I’ve always felt like the one I have is my weapon. It’s like the biggest guitar you can buy. I was 18 years old and I needed — like when soldiers go into battle and like in Game of Thrones they’d always hold up the shield — it’s my shield. It’s my weapon. So, yeah, I just played it that night and he recorded it and kept it. I said, “Honey, I think this is important.” Because it’s a snapshot of my experience that day.

I love to hear you sing “Feelin’ Good.” I’d read you sang this at a women’s prison, too. Tell me about that experience.

Pretty deep. It was pretty deep. I had played down the hair. I thought, “Now is not the time. I’m not on stage.” I found myself being in that moment with the women. I was standing there, telling my story, talking to the women. It was one of those moments where I don’t know what to say. … So, I just started to sing. I think it made a difference in the room, because these women could sit there for a moment and feel better. That’s what I do as my go-to — I start singing.

I don’t know what you do, but we all have a coping skill, and I think for me that day it was music. I think it’s an important as an artist to not forget your gift. Sometimes we can, if we get distracted. So, this time at home has been devastating at times, yet so life-giving, that the music reflects just that. You’ll hear tough and tender in my voice because there are days when I can’t even get out of bed without crying. And then there are some days I hop out of bed and I am freakin’ Wonder Woman.

Now that you’ve been home probably longer than you ever have in your life, have you developed any morning routines to propel you through your day?

So, on March 14, I cleared the bus. I’ve had a bus since 1984, so that was bizarre. It was like moving to another country. I came into the house and I went, “What the hell do I do now?” So I spent five weeks – you can tell I counted – of doing absolutely nothing. I got really frustrated, because I was lost! It was 8 o’clock at night and I would stare off into the night and go, “I should be doing a show. I should be with my fans. I should be with people. I should be on the road.”

Wynonna and Cactus Moser

I found myself doing nothing. And I think that’s what I needed. I’m going to do a testimonial. I’m writing a book in my head right now, and I’m going to put it to paper, like you as a writer: “What do I do today? What did I do today? What did I want to do today? What do I have to do today?” And how do you find life in that? So I went through the same stuff you have, like most of my fan family: “What do I do?” …

And I started to practice. My husband goes, “Yeah, honey, um… I don’t know if you’ve done this in a while.” It took a minute though. I had to self-start, which was hard for me, because I’ve always been given my schedule, and I go to the airport, and I hustle through, and I make it. You know what I’m saying? We’re used to doing and going and being really successful! What do you do when you’re home for six months?! What do you do, man!!

So when you say “practice,” were you practicing songwriting? Guitar?

Yes, all of it! I came home and, like the rest of America, I gained weight and let my roots grow out. I’m not wearing any undergarments. … And when you come home, and you’re on the farm – I haven’t left but maybe half a dozen times in six months — it’s very strange. What do you do? You have to find a new purpose. And my new purpose was writing, and I started calling people on the phone. Ooh!

You know how it is, you start reconnecting with people you want to reconnect with. There was a lot of forgiveness. There were a lot of relationships where I needed to go back and say, “Hey, man, I missed your wedding and I’m really, really sad about that.” Then you start a conversation. This is really important stuff, right? You don’t have time for that – you don’t make time for that – because you’re too busy being fabulous.

Have you been pulling out your vinyl records, too? And listening to music you’ve loved in the past?

Yep! I’m doing it in a way I needed to, and I don’t know that I would have if it hadn’t been for me being at home like I am. I’ll be honest. I was taught to be a doer, a mover and a shaker. I got caught up in that, and when I came home, I felt like, “If I put everything away, that means I’m stuck at home.” It took months and months and months, and finally I was like, “Oh, for God’s sake, I’m tired of looking at all my stage clothes and my undergarments! Put ‘em away!” And I was like, “No, I don’t want to because that means you’re dead!”

Anyway, I did it, and I thought, “You have to find life at home, woman!” You know, you’ve got life on the road. What is it like at home? So I started to do that, and I started to… listen to music! I started to watch documentaries. You have to watch the two-part documentary on Laurel Canyon. You have to watch it, dude, you have to. You know why? Because it’s important! You see the Eagles, when they’re teenagers, and they’re in L.A. trying to write songs. You see Jackson Browne, who’s 19, standing in line at the Whisky a Go Go. It’s awesome!

BGS did a story on that movie and interviewed Chris Hillman about it, too. It’s a fascinating history.

Oh, that’s another thing! I wanted to throw this in here: So I started to have a beautiful relationship with people I never see, and Chris is one of them. Because I got the number from my husband, I’m texting Robert Weir — and he’s texting me back! And I’m going, “OK… what are the chances?!” [Laughs]

Bob Weir’s on this new record, too.

He is, and it started out being a little bit of a dare. Cactus said, “I want you to learn a Grateful Dead song,” and I said, “Why?” Seriously, I said “Why?” Now, how arrogant is that?! I didn’t understand, not really. All of a sudden I’m learning the song and I’m going, “What the heck is this line about writing Frankenstein?” Then I started learning the song’s history and the meaning of it, so now I’ve become a student of rock ‘n’ roll. I started to study and learn the song and understand. “Ramble on Rose” – oh, there’s a story here. It’s not just a song that’s in the background as you’re smoking a joint!

I believe that when something is a God thing, and meant to be, it’s easy. There’s an ease to it. It doesn’t require an agenda or manipulation. And the next thing I know — and this is no exaggeration — the guy, the legend, the man is coming to Nashville to do something with Dwight Yoakam. And he’s at our gate! We’re buzzing him in to come down to the home studio, which is basically a shed with a lot of nice flooring. And we do a song together! And I go, well, nobody would believe me: “Hey, Robert Weir’s over here and we’re singing ‘Ramble on Rose.’ Yeah, cool!” [Laughs] It’s just fun and I want to get away with as much of this as I possibly can.

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Restoration and Revival: An Interview with Wynonna Judd

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To hear (or read) the name "Wynonna Judd" instantly elicits a reaction from pretty much everyone. And, rightfully so. For the past 30+ years, the country superstar with the big voice and brash style has topped charts and made headlines with every move she's made. But, forget what you know — or think you know — about Wynonna and consider the fact that her new record, Wynonna & the Big Noise, leans on songs by Chris Stapleton, Julie Miller, and Sarah Siskind, and offers up appearances by Jason Isbell, Susan Tedeschi, and Derek Trucks. Produced by her husband and band leader, Cactus Moser, the set finds Wynonna in, perhaps, the finest form of her career and the most peaceful place of her life. 

I read a quote of yours, about you and your mom, that cracked me up. You said, “I knew the minute I was born that I was going to be the lead singer, and I knew by age 3 that I could sing. I just knew as a kid. I didn’t know exactly that she was going to follow me around.” Now that you've lost your shadow, what's the feeling? Freedom? Fear?

Wynonna Judd: One of my goals in this new year is “restoration.” I have a word every year. Restoration is taking the past and using it to propel me into the now which is, “How do I feel right now about being a part of this band?” It's exhilarating and terrifying. It's a lot of work. I'm spending more time as a musician than I ever have. Being an artist is like breathing. It's as easy to me as you writing. It's a part of me. Making this record, being on stage with my brothers … being not as much about being entertaining and funny and “Oh my gosh! She's a celebrity and a star!” It's about me getting back to my roots.

For instance, when Jason Isbell came out to the farm, we sat there and talked about everything from recovery to having children to being artists to how do we balance that. I'm really about making personal connections with people — standing in a dressing room with Bruce Springsteen and talking about what it's like to get older in this business and maintain your integrity. Going to see Susan Tedeschi and her husband, Derek Trucks, at the Ryman and talking about what it's like to be married and share the stage and share your life with a partner.

It's really an interesting time for me because, I'll be honest, I've been doing this for 35 years. Instead of looking at the word “reinvent,” the restoration part is what's really grooving me right now because I'm in a place of real change, both personally and professionally — whether it's going to the vinyl pressing where they're making our vinyl records and going, “Oh my gosh! I started out here and now here I am back 30 years later” … to using vintage instruments to make the record — 1930s drums, '40s microphones.

Cactus made a real smart move when he talked to me and said, “It's time for you to get back to your roots.” When you hear my voice on this record, it's very vulnerable, it's very raw, very real. It's a one-track take. There's no perfection — there's less of that than ever before, which is scary but exciting. It's like going bra-less. [Laughs] It feels really weird, but it's also very freeing because I can get out of the way of myself and the agenda I have and just interpret the songs, like an actor would a scene. I get to be … instead of Wynonna-isms all over the songs and having an agenda, I can just sit there and sing the song while the band plays. Dave Grohl was a huge help to me about how to be in a band, how to get out of my way, and just sing and enjoy myself. That was huge for me.

But you still have to be a band leader to a certain degree, no?

WJ: No, I don't, because Cactus is that. Cactus is the leader. I get to just show up and get away with singing. You know what's really great, sometimes? Letting go. Letting go of the idea of having to be in control. That really was a life saver.

After his accident, I became Mrs. Moser. And I finally let myself be a partner and not feel like I have to be this alpha-female and do it all myself and direct. I can just be a band member and enjoy myself and play my butt off and sing from my toenails. And I don't have to be the decision-maker. He was in the studio saying, “Okay, let's sing that with a different idea.” And I really trusted him. I let go, fell back, and let him catch me.

Cactus Moser: It's really hard, when you're an artist, to always see the spot you're standing on. To know where you need to go and to feel exactly everything is tricky. I looked at her many years ago … I was a fan from afar. I was in a group called Highway 101 and we opened for the Judds for a year. I used to go watch her sing at soundcheck and she would be playing with the melodies — playing around more than she did during the show. I was just floored by her gift and her voice and her talent.

Fast forward to when we got together to work, and I'm still looking at it like I'm a kid in a candy store. To have that amazing singer in a band is one of those rare things you get to do in life. So, when we were working together — both live and recording and writing these songs together — it was just a real dream. Sometimes it's cool to have somebody with you — I've always been in band situations, normally, and I produce a lot of stuff. I always believe in, “Let's work this out together.” She has great ideas, but I would sometimes go, “I hear it like this. Let's try it.” I think that's why there are so many great collaborations. You look at Mick [Jagger] and Keith [Richards] in the Rolling Stones or Glenn [Frey] and Don [Henley] in the Eagles or even the Police, when they were a full band … I think some of the most brilliant things come out of that pull and tug — when you try it from a different perspective. She's changed how I do things and vice versa. I think you get the best, more often than not, by that process.

You hear that on this record. You hear the balance between an edgier roots rock and a smoother contemporary country. Did that start with the songs and work out from there? Was that your process — songs first, sound second? Or did you know what you were going for, sonically, and reverse engineer it?

CM: Sonically, I wanted to make a record that sounds as interesting as it is musical. It's a little bit more of a soundtrack where the music speaks a little more. We used these very distinctive 1930s drums that I played on the whole record. The band all started to react to that instrument and it changed the feel and instrumentation that they played with. And Wy being live on the floor singing to us while we were tracking inspired, of course, everyone. Yeah, there was a sort of vision of the type of sound I wanted to go toward.

WJ: I wanted to have a revival. I don't know how old you are …

I'm old enough …

WJ: Well, you're old enough to know better, right? You know what you want. That's where I was: I know I don't want to be complacent. I don't want to make records like I did in the past where I got hooked on perfectionism, where I have to make this “vocal of the year award goes to …” [Laughs] I just wanted to enjoy myself and shake my butt and boogie. Some of these songs made me wiggle a lot. They made me do these dances while I was singing and he's filming me going, “I don't know if you see yourself doing this, but you're jiggling everywhere from head to toe.” [Laughs]

I just found myself enjoying myself so much that I kept forgetting, “Oh, I'm doing a vocal.” I was so into it, it was almost like I was on stage. I was having such a good performing moment that I enjoyed the process rather than going in and saying, “Oh, crap, I've gotta sing for four hours, get all the notes right, be perfectionism.” I didn't do that and it was so refreshing that it caught me off guard. When I would sing something and he'd go, “Oh my God, that was amazing!” I'd be like, “I have no idea what you're talking about. I was just having fun.” That's the key.

That's the magic, right there.

WJ: That's exactly what I wanted. When I walked away, I felt like I had no idea about the record and how it was going to sound. When I heard him come into the room and put on my headphones and play me Timothy B. [Schmit] singing his favorite Poco memories into this song, I just started to cry because I had no idea what was going to happen. To hear Susan sing on a song, I literally did the hallelujah dance because I couldn't believe it was happening. To get Jason to come out to the house, to sit there in our shed wearing a ball cap, doing this rap about life … one of my favorite things ever. It wasn't about the Grammys. It wasn't about, “Oh my God, this is two big artists making music history.” It was just two artists sitting there talking and having an experience together. That's my favorite.

It feels like you built a little bit of a community for yourself on this record with these folks. I know some of your earliest influences go back to bluegrass and mountain harmonies. So, do you feel like, even if that stuff isn't there musically, it's there in spirit with you these days?

WJ: Totally! And it transfers to the stage. I tell stories about everything from being 15, walking into the kitchen, and watching Stevie Ray Vaughn practice with his brother Jimmy. I've known Ricky Skaggs since I was 15 years old. He's like a relative. You're right: I did build a community with this record. I have a new appreciation for Susan and Derek. We went to see them at the Ryman and we're so connected on a deeper level than just, “Hey, I'll see you at the Grammys.”

It's a really special time of making connections that are sacred, that have nothing to do with guys sitting in a board room putting together two artists because they know it's going to be number one. These are authentic connections and that's what made it so special for me.

Which leads to … let's do a little name association. Just say the first thing you think of …

[Laughs] Oh, dear. Because I've got … [Pauses] Okay. [Laughs]

[Laughs] I'm not going to throw any zingers at you! Okay: Cactus

CM: Living waters.

WJ: The first thing that comes to mind is “mullet.” Then, the second thing is “cowboy.” When I met him, he had the biggest blond mullet and he was wearing chaps. He's from Denver. So, there you have it.

[Laughs] That's awesome. Jason Isbell.

WJ: The first thing that comes to mind is “recovery.” He's really trying, like I am, to find balance and inner peace. We're both such authentic artists. He's so sweet. I didn't have any idea how sweet he is. He's a very kind and thoughtful person.

Agreed. Chris Stapleton.

WJ: Maverick.

Tedeschi Trucks.

WJ: Badass. I mean, seriously … the best guitar player in the world and people just don't know it. They just don't. He's a badass. He gives me goosebumps when I hear him play. He's just insane.

Sarah Siskind.

CM: Emotional.

WJ: Haunting. The song takes me back to Appalachia. It's haunting. It's my roots.

Last one … Julie Miller.

CM: Honest.

WJ: I would say “authentic.”

I'd maybe add “underrated.” I wish she were more exposed.

WJ: I agree.

CM: For that little, tiny voice, she's such a super-tough badass, in terms of how she writes. She writes like Tom Petty — the most economic use of words to say the most.