Rhonda Vincent Brings New Perspectives, Special Guests to A Possibility

The undisputed Queen of Bluegrass, Rhonda Vincent, returns with a studio album of original and newly recorded material that demonstrates the unwavering command of her craft, while shining a light on a new cast of musicians who helped shape this project into something she didn’t foresee.

Talking with Vincent on the phone between her shows at Dollywood, we learn about the process behind writing and tracking A Possibility, a project that sidesteps her usual rituals. Partnering with co-producer Adam Haynes, who also plays fiddle in her touring band, Vincent says, “I loved working with him. There’s a calmness about him, and that calmness carried over into the creative process. Going into this album, I didn’t expect him to become a co-producer, but that’s what happened.”

Combining their respective stashes of vintage microphones and recording equipment, then outfitting a new space with pleasant furnishings, Vincent and Haynes created a studio atmosphere that felt as much like home: “One day I hauled in a couple of recliners because I realized we had all this amazing equipment, but nowhere comfortable to sit.” Haynes also encouraged her to reach out to Dan Tyminski, who sings on the album’s title track.

In her earnest, Midwestern way, Vincent may describe her own creative process as “willy-nilly,” yet it’s clear that every choice is thoughtfully made in the interest of making honest, sustainable work that speaks for itself, with the ability to move audiences near and far. A Possibility is no exception.

BGS: What was the process of cutting this record? I’m also wondering if you have a certain “religion,” so to speak, that you live by in terms of when, where and how you cut records.

Vincent: If you follow me around for very long, you’ll see that my process is pretty sporadic. I’m actually very organized. I know where everything is, and I have a plan in my head, but from the outside it probably looks chaotic. A lot of it starts with an idea, then I just start building from there. Most people come off the road and spend two or three months writing. I’m usually on the road, working, performing, and trying to fit everything in around that schedule; so, my process is probably more chaotic than most. That’s just the way I’ve always worked.

This project was different, though. We probably started thinking about it in January. We had just come off 84 Christmas shows in 30 days, which took us right up to January 4. Knowing we wanted to start a new record, we gave ourselves a little bit of breathing room. We jumped back on the road quickly, but there was a gentler start to this project than usual.

Is there a certain way you like to write songs—on mandolin, guitar, or does it move around?

Yeah, I don’t really consider myself the kind of person who sits down and decides to write a song. Most of my songs come from inspiration. “A Possibility,” the title track, happened when we were getting ready to leave on the bus. I was carrying the trash down to the corner and walking back when I looked up at the sky. It was unbelievably clear, full of bright stars. I just started singing and thinking, “I wonder if this star talks to that star.” By the time I got back on the bus, I was still singing, and that eventually became “A Possibility.” I guess I’m more of an inspiration writer than anything else.

I sent Dan a message [about singing with me] and didn’t hear anything back. A little later we were playing the same festival. I saw him sitting outside his bus in a lawn chair, so I walked over. Honestly, I was thinking maybe he didn’t like the song because I hadn’t heard a word. Before I could even ask, he looked at me and said, “People are sick of your song on the bus because I’ve listened to it over and over and over and I’ve been singing along to it. I can’t wait to record it”. I thought, ‘Well, that’s a pretty good sign.'”

Then there’s “Vesper Thompson,” which is about my great-grandfather. The story behind that song is true. He had two children with his first wife, and then she left. In researching the family history, I went back and found the actual records, and Aladyne was the woman’s real name. My great-grandfather worked in a coal mine in Novinger, Missouri, not Queen City. Adam helped me write the song, and he used Queen City because it’s closer to where I’m from and it fit the rhyme.

As the story goes, the mine owner sent his daughter, Aladyne, to stay with him. I’d never even heard the name Aladyne before. What I didn’t include in the song is that she eventually became pregnant. The two of them went on to have six more children together, and one of those children was my Grandpa Charlie, my mother’s father. He passed away when I was eight years old. I remember going to his house, and what stands out most in my mind is this big ashtray and his pipe. I can still picture him sitting in the front window, smoking his pipe.

When he died, my mom took me up to the casket at his funeral. It affected me deeply. I remember thinking afterward, “I don’t ever want to make my kids go through this.” She also took Polaroid pictures of him in the casket, and I had nightmares about those photos for the longest time. Even so, those memories stayed with me, and somehow all those years later, I ended up writing a song about him.

I love “Would You Like to Buy Some Flowers” with Sierra Ferrell, and the Carter Family nature of its arrangement. Did you record that together in the studio?

No, we recorded the track and sent it to her. Along with it, I included a note that basically said, “Whatever you’re thinking, just go for it.” I assumed she’d approach it the traditional way. I thought I would sing the first verse, she’d take the second verse, and we’d sing the chorus together. But she took it in a completely different direction. I sang the first chorus, then she came in on the verse, and after that we started singing together. When I heard what she had done, I thought, “Wow, I never would have come up with that.”

That’s one of the things I loved about working with all these different people on the album. Everybody brought their own ideas and their own perspective to the music. A lot of the time, they came up with things I never would have thought of myself, and the songs ended up being better because of it.

Have you started performing the new songs?

Yes we are. The first one we performed was “Even If I Tried” at Bill Anderson’s 65th Opry anniversary celebration. Bill Anderson, Bobby Tomberlin, and Will Jones wrote that song, and to get a brand-new, unheard song from Bill Anderson was incredible. He’s been writing hit songs for decades and is a member of the Songwriters Hall of Fame, so I could hardly believe I was getting a song from him.

We debuted it on the Opry almost as soon as it was finished. The harmonies had been recorded the night before. Jamie Johnson from The Grascals sang on it, and I think it was the very day of the performance that I called Ben Isaacs because we needed a third harmony part. I said, ‘Ben, could you put a harmony on this?’ It turned out he was on the Opry that night too. He came in that afternoon, sang the part, and then we walked onto the Opry stage and performed the song that night before it had even been released. That’s the way a lot of things happen for me, kind of willy-nilly, but somehow, they always come together.

Right now, we’re at Dollywood for five days, and this is our fifth day here. We’ve done ten shows this week, and by now I think we’ve performed almost every song on the album at least a few times. We’re just working them into the sets here and there and seeing how audiences respond.

Yesterday we performed “Far Away From Home.” I’ve been using my phone to pull up lyrics when we’re introducing some of the newer songs, but this time my phone wouldn’t bring them up. We ended up going ahead and doing the song anyway, and we got through it without needing the lyrics. I was happy about that! As of today, I believe it’s been the No. 1 song on Bluegrass Today for its second consecutive week.

Congratulations! How did “Even If I Tried” arrive to you? Did they have a demo or were you left to construct some of it yourself?

Well, that’s the crazy thing. Bobby Tomberlin texted me that song at 11:30 one night. I was half asleep, and normally I would’ve waited until the next morning to listen to it, but something made me hit play right then. He said, “Bill and I have written a new song,” and that immediately got my attention. I listened to it, and the whole thing was about smoking, drinking, and cussing. Well, I don’t smoke, drink, or cuss. So, I texted Bobby right back. I said, “I love the song, Bobby, but can you make this a little more relatable to me?” I told him, “I don’t smoke, drink, or cuss, and it feels very male-oriented.”

They got together the very next day and customized it for me. They changed the lyrics and worked in things like exercise and shopping instead. So, I ended up with what was basically a custom-written song from Bill Anderson, which is pretty cool.

It certainly sounds like they were thinking of you when they wrote it.

Bill told me he thought of us when he wrote it, but I had no idea the kind of impact it was going to have. Before it was released, we performed it at Gettysburg in August. After the show, a man came up to me crying uncontrollably. At first, I didn’t know what he wanted because he couldn’t even compose himself enough to speak. When he finally did, he said, “That song. I have to have that song.”

I told him, “Well, it’s not out yet.” He said, “You have to teach me the chords. I have to have the words.” Then he told me his wife had battled cancer four different times. He said, “I have to sing it to her and tell her it’s for her.” I still get chills just talking about that encounter.


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Don’t Call Me Darlin’: Lost Girl

As a full-time musician living in Los Angeles, Carolyn Kendrick has a complicated relationship with bluegrass music. Despite years of experience and a deep connection to friendships formed in the community, Carolyn often thinks of herself as an outsider in the broader, male-dominated, and generally conservative genre. As life becomes more and more digitally saturated, the nostalgia-rich trappings and communal values of the bluegrass community speak to Carolyn as she finds herself yearning for a more grounded, unplugged time. She loves the music but is confused by how it fits into her sense of self.

She suddenly discovers that this internal friction is more common than expected when co-creator Tristan Scroggins shows her a collection of rare, feminist newsletters circulated in the ’90s by women who played bluegrass. These bright blue, hand stapled, self published newsletters contain nearly a decade of interviews, correspondence, and fellowship between women as they attempt to navigate and influence the genre.

As Carolyn explores these stories, it becomes clear that not only have women faced similar challenges since the music’s beginnings, but that previously gendered opportunities have gotten noticeably better in recent history. So why do the names and stories seem so unfamiliar? These questions lead down a rabbit hole as Carolyn and Tristan get in the car and drive to Virginia to interview Murphy Hicks Henry, the creator of the newsletter. Along the way they visit with friends, go to museums and festivals, interview friends, and re-interview the women from the newsletter to see what they think about the progress that has been made. All while recording to make this podcast.

Despite being a show about a newsletter about bluegrass, the show itself isn’t “about” bluegrass. It’s about community and what it means to be an insider. It’s about how tradition can bring us together but what happens to who gets left out. It’s about what we can learn from our elders and why we shouldn’t wait to ask them. It’s about women and their lives and what we can learn from them.

In this episode, you heard the voices of legends of bluegrass in the following order: Kathy Kallick, Missy Raines, Laurie Lewis, Maddie Witler, Murphy Henry, Dede Wyland , Lucy Singleton, Rhonda Vincent, Lisa Kay Howard, Sierra Hull, Kristin Scott Benson, Joselyn Skye, and Alison Brown.

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Don’t Call Me Darlin’ is based on the Women in Bluegrass newsletter that was published quarterly from 1994–2003 by Murphy Hicks Henry. More information about Murphy, including how to purchase her book Pretty Good for a Girl: Women in Bluegrass, can be found here.

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Bronwyn: In Her Own Words

Editor’s Note: Our exclusive Artist of the Month interview with Bronwyn, conducted by BGS contributor Alison Richter, included many more lovely excerpts and conversations than could be included in that article. For our BGS Bandwagon members, we’re returning to our conversation for bonus content with Bronwyn!

Below, enjoy a few excerpts from our interview about her new album, Rattlin’ Bones, about inspiration, songwriting, and the stories behind a few of the brand new songs.

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Lindsay Lou Brings Bluegrass Women Together in Mini-Doc Series

Lindsay Lou captures an incredible moment of creativity with her new album, Bluegrass Women. Recording it when she was about six months pregnant, she co-produced the special project with Shani Ghandi, who was also expecting. BGS is delighted to share the third episode of a mini-doc series that provides a behind-the-scenes glimpse of making the album, as well as the friendships that forged this momentous collection of songs.

The bluegrass women interviewed in the video below include Courtney Hartman, Brittany Haas, Tatiana Hargreaves and Allison de Groot, while many other women in the bluegrass community are seen lending their support as studio musicians. (Watch Episode One and Episode Two.)

Reflecting on the similarities between songwriting and motherhood, Lindsay Lou tells BGS, “At some point when I was in the middle of making/releasing the Queen of Time album, I did a reiki session that someone had gotten me as a gift, and was surprised when the woman doing the work on me asked if I was pregnant. I said, ‘No, but I’m making a record, which is kinda the same thing.’ She told me she asked because my sacral chakra was really amped, which is the region that represents creativity/creation.”

She continues, “I had always talked about songs that I’ve written being like children, who come through you and not from you and that take on a character based on who you let them hang around as they grow into themselves, but I’d never made the connection in quite that way before—between creating new life and creating art and music. It makes sense though, and it’s cool to hear myself talk about it here while I’m in the middle of doing it all. In spite of all the physical challenges, being pregnant really was such vibrant and beautiful time for me. There’s so much excitement looking forward to a dream you can’t quite see all the details of quite yet.

“There was a time when a woman was supposed to shut herself away for all this child bearing and rearing,” she adds. “So much has changed and it’s not taboo to have a full, well-rounded life that includes being a mother and working. Even medically speaking, continuing to be as physically active as you were before pregnancy has been shown to actually be a positive thing. It’s not just all— ‘Go away, rest, and don’t bother us, and you can’t do anything else now that you’re a mother. Leave that to the men. A woman’s place is in the home.’

“It’s meant a great deal to me to see other women touring, still having their careers, and not being secretive about having babies at the same time,” she concludes. “If even one person sees this and feels the same way, I’d consider it a win.”


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The Other 22 Hours: Lindsay Lou

What does it mean to witness ourselves transform? Singer-songwriter and bluegrass powerhouse Lindsay Lou, a frequent collaborator with artists like Billy Strings, Molly Tuttle, and Sierra Hull, as well as a member of the Sweet Water Warblers and a festival staple in her own right, joins us to explore the tender, high-stakes choreography of modern artist-parenthood.

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Celebrating her landmark all-women project, Bluegrass Women, Lindsay reflects on giving historical weight to the women who shaped roots music. She also gives unvarnished clarity about postpartum identity, surviving festival chaos with a 15-month-old strapped to her chest on stage, and the quiet revelation that comes when we stop trying to compartmentalize who we are. This episode is a deep dive into creative endurance, presence, and why artists pursuing their craft is a gift to their family rather than a subtraction.

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In This Episode:

– Lindsay Lou
– The Sweet Water Warblers
– Rolling Stone Stateside Festival
– Grand Targhee (Grand Targhee Bluegrass Festival)
– Sam Grisman
– Ep 145 Derek Trucks
– Ep 12 Leyla McCalla
– Ep 39 Joe Henry
– Meshell Ndegeocello
– The Stanley Brothers
– Keith Whitley
– Ricky Skaggs
– Ola Belle Reed
– Tim O’Brien
– Ep 147 Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
– Bluegrass Album Band
– David Grisman
– Scott Vestal
– Shani Gandhi
– Ep 11 Lucius
– Rachael Price
– Fran’s Eastside Tavern (Fran’s)
– Rachel Baiman
– Ep 85 Caroline Spence

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The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (producer, mixer, musician) and Michaela Anne (songwriter, artist, creative coach). More about Aaron’s work. More about Michaela Anne’s work.


Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

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Fruition Finds Something More Before Finishing One Last Tour

Formed in 2008 as a busking band on the streets of Portland, Oregon, Fruition has thrived in the places where people would least expect it. I mean, how else does a folk pop band wind up playing for and being embraced by the jamgrass community?

Over the past 18 years the band — Tyler Thompson, Kellen Asebroek, Miriam “Mimi” Naja, Jay Cobb Anderson and Jeff Leonard — has dropped eight albums including the just-released Something More, each one more explorative and cohesive than the last. The new album’s 11 songs touch on everything from hurdles in relationships (“Matters of the Heart”) to finding light in uncertain places (“The Well”) and dreaming about what comes next (“Something More”).

As the title track suggests, Something More also happens to be the band’s final album (for now) after it issued a statement that the economics of touring are no longer feasible. Ahead of the album release, Jay Cobb Anderson spoke with BGS about why now is the right time to say goodbye.

BGS: Tell me about the timing of this decision to step back from touring. I understand it partly stems from some issues you were having with the band’s sprinter van.

Anderson: We’d already been thinking about stepping back and the van breaking down was just another sign that was the right decision to make. It all started this spring when Mimi came to the conclusion she didn’t want to tour anymore. A lot of bands will continue on when one of its members doesn’t want to do it anymore, but the core of the group has always been her, Kellen and me, so when she told us that we all began to reevaluate things. It’s just been really hard out there since the pandemic. There’s less people coming to show and guarantees for bands are lower as a result.

Also, for a long time I’ve wanted to focus on my solo stuff. So, this doesn’t mean we’re all going to stop making music entirely. The way we’ve been doing it is just no longer sustainable. Things change and people grow, so there’s no telling what’s going to happen in the future. Just because we aren’t touring doesn’t mean we won’t play together again. In fact, I highly doubt we’ll never play again. We might even put out another record but not tour on it — you just never know.

It sounds like your desire to make music together hasn’t waned, just that the financials and logistics behind it are getting tougher to manage.

That’s absolutely the truth of it. We’ve sacrificed so much for the music, and have done so for a long time, that it just became automatic. But at a certain point we started asking ourselves, “What are we doing?” Because even when you’re doing this at a high level on a bus, it still eats your time and keeps you away from home for long periods of time. When you’re young you feel like you can go on tour forever. We used to never think about the future, so this just feels like a natural evolution of things.

However, it is also very sad because we are at the point where we’re musically connecting better than we ever have. The shows have been incredible and the sound of our band has reached a point that we’re really happy with. It’s definitely bittersweet to think that it’s not going to happen like this anymore, especially when we’re firing on all cylinders, but that’s just the way it is and life goes on. I’m just excited and proud to be releasing what I think is the best record we’ve ever made before this.

Is there anything new or different you’re planning to bring to this final run of shows?

With where we’re at, we’re already taking more chances than we ever have on stage. This record pushed us in different ways, like on the title track when our bassist Jeff Leonard played piano. It’s the only song we’ve ever done where he’s stepped away from the bass. Stuff like that is going to be special live, but I’m also looking forward to digging into our back catalog as well.

One of the shows I’m most excited for is at the Crystal Ballroom [in Portland] in January. It’s our second-to-last show, so we’re hoping to turn that into a big event with a bunch of old friends. I’m actually out on the road with Caamp right now. I’ve played with them for the past year and a half when I’m available. Over that time Taylor Meier and I have become really good friends, so I’m hoping to have a sit-in from him somewhere along the way.

When you first began writing the songs that make up Something More, did you already know this would be your “final” record?

This album was being worked on way before we ever had the idea to stop touring. As artists and writers, you’re always trying to evolve, and this record in particular has more co-writes than any record we’ve done. What’s cool is you get to not only hear the evolution of us individually through some of those songs, but true collaboration as they’re coming to life too. The song “By Now” comes to mind. I remember Kellen had a riff on the piano and all of us gathered around him shouting out words until the song wrote itself. It was a true tri-write!

There was no intentional thought of “This is ending” but I believe we were being really vulnerable with each other by bringing up songs that were half-finished and writing them together, which we’d never done before. It’s a great way to give tribute to this band that we’ve all been in for so long.

You reunited with producer Tucker Martine — whom you refer to as a sixth bandmate — on this record. What drew you to working with him again?

We first worked with him back in 2018 with our record Watching It All Fall Apart. He produced that and we recorded it at Flora Studios, so we had a rapport with him and loved working with him. We always kept it in the back of our mind that if we wanted to do the producer thing again, maybe we should go back to him. He’s just so good at knowing what to say and how to coax the best performance out of somebody. He’s one of those guys that we all trust in his ear and ability to help us build this thing.

He’s also super encouraging and open for exploration of his studio. We’re the kind of people that when we walk into his studio, we start exploring and messing around with stuff immediately. One of the things he had was this old organ from the ’60s called an Ace Tone organ. It’s a little suitcase organ that has a Farfisa sound to it. It’s a very unique sound that we immediately put on the first track on day one. Then we put it on the second track and at a certain point we’re like, “Let’s see if we can put this on every track” and that’s exactly what we did. It’s something that would never have happened if we weren’t recording with Tucker and didn’t have that kind of encouragement and freedom to just explore whatever’s in the studio.

One thing that’s really hard about being in a band with three different songwriters is making a congruent record that flows together, because everybody can be in different places in their lives. We’ve always just cared about if the songs are honest and have integrity, and Tucker has this golden thread he’s able to weave in between every track. Part of that has to do with his capabilities from the engineering side of things, like some of the amps he’s using and compression that he’s using that give everything a similar sound, even though the songs might be completely different. There’s rock and roll songs on this record, there’s soul songs, there’s country-ish songs, and for him to add his flavor to it all just makes for a much better record.

Were there any other peculiar instruments that found their way onto the record?

He’s got a really old Maestro Rhythm King drum machine, and we ended up using it on the last track on the record. He also had a specific kind of reverb tank that Lee “Scratch” Perry used on all his reggae dub stuff, which Tucker loves. Also on “All Over,” he had an analog space echo that was really fun. We’re pulling these old junker Harmony guitars off the wall because they have cool tones. He also had an autoharp that we used at the end of the song “Forward.” I just pulled it down and strummed it to see if it would work and was like, “Oh man, it’s in tune for this one chord,” and it was the ending chord of the song. [laughs]

It sounds like a lot of experimenting and trusting your intuition, which also seems to be at the heart of the song “Compass.” Care to elaborate on it?

Yes. The title suggests that in its own way and the lyrics – ‘You could be a light in the sky / Your heart is a compass rose / And it knows what’s right’ – are such poignant and simple things. Kellen actually wrote it about ten years ago and we demoed it with Tucker our first time around with him, but it wasn’t quite ready yet and wound up sitting on the back burner for a long time. It just wasn’t going to die though and popped back up during this album cycle and we knew we were finally ready for it when it did.

You already talked about how this album was recorded long before a band hiatus was on the table, but what about the song sequencing? How intentional were you with that, and does any of it reflect that this is the end of an era for the band?

The track order was really hard this time around, which is funny to me because usually it’s not for us. We typically go, “OK, this will be a great opening track” and “This will be a great ending track,” with it ebbing and flowing in between, but this time we all had different ideas of how the track flow would work.

Since we couldn’t come to a consensus on anything, we instead just did whatever Tucker wanted to do. It resulted in a very different track order than I was wanting for the record, which is interesting because I can be a little pushy in my artistic visions. But I just relinquished control, which took me a while to do, and eventually something clicked and now it really resonates with me. In Tucker we trust.

What do you hope fans remember most about Fruition when they listen and look back on your legacy as a band?

When you do this kind of thing, you always hope that you are resonating with your crowd and giving them something that they need. Our fans have been so great through the years and so supportive to us. We have a lot of hardcore fans, and I know a lot of people are going to be affected by this, but I hope that they just come to the shows like they have in the past, enjoy themselves and let us do our thing. They’ve always trusted us with throwing out new stuff and trying new things.

My goal is that people walk away from some of these last shows reflecting on the songs, the moments we’ve shared together and how we have always tried to be genuine, honest and vulnerable. I don’t want any of them to walk away thinking that we’re over each other or making music together, because that couldn’t be further from the truth.


Photo Credit: Lauren Hartmann; L to R: Tyler Thompson, Kellen Asebroek, Miriam “Mimi” Naja, Jay Cobb Anderson and Jeff Leonard

Award-Winning Fiddler Bronwyn Drives a Different Highway on Rattlin’ Bones

Playing the fiddle has been part of Bronwyn Keith-Hynes’ life since discovering the instrument when she was 3 years old. By age 10, she had become serious about music. She attended fiddle camps, joined her first band at 13, and took lessons, but always gravitated toward ear training.

This approach changed when she attended Berklee and enrolled in their American Roots Music program, where she met, studied, lived with and jammed with a collective of musicians, many of whom would later settle in Nashville as part of a new bluegrass generation. Those personal connections from Berklee led to her becoming an integral part of the bluegrass group Molly Tuttle & Golden Highway until the ensemble parted ways last year. (Read our BGS interview with her Golden Highway bandmates Molly Tuttle, Kyle Tuttle and Shelby Means.)

Now professionally just known as Bronwyn, the two-time IBMA Award-winning fiddle player has stepped out on her own as a full-time solo artist, front and center as a musician, vocalist, and bandleader. While her two prior albums established her first as a virtuoso player and then also as a talented vocalist, her new album Rattlin’ Bones takes her to the next level. Co-produced with Brent Truitt, the collection explores the musical territory within bluegrass while incorporating flavors from her Celtic and jazz roots.

On a July afternoon in Nashville, Bronwyn – our BGS Artist of the Month for September – discussed her dedication to practicing, the throughline between jazz and bluegrass jams, and who’s most likely behind the wheel of her tour van.

BGS: With Rattlin’ Bones ready for release, are you feeling a sense of relief that it’s done? Anticipation for the world to hear it? Satisfaction of goals accomplished? All of the above?

Everything. I’ve been playing some of these songs live [since the spring], I’ve been teasing some of them at some shows, and so I’m excited for people to hear the whole thing. I feel like I’ve been hanging on to this for a little while now.

Was the album complete when you began performing the songs?

No, it was still getting mixed. It all got recorded last year, and I feel like I’ve been building the plane as it’s taking off. Last year was my transition year. Golden Highway was wrapping up, and I was starting to do my own shows in the second half of the year. I was writing as much as I could for this record and recording as I wrote it. As soon as I wrote a couple songs I liked, I would go into the studio, record them, and then try them out after I recorded them or I came up with an arrangement. So it’s been this process over the last year.

Does playing them live sometimes change the arrangements?

Yes. Playing them in the studio is one thing, but as soon as you play it live, you’re like, “It has to be faster when we do it live,” or “This section should be longer,” or whatever. It’s a different experience when you’re listening to an album versus at a live show. So I think they’re all right for the studio, but then there are some moments … and that was part of the intention of coming up with these arrangements. I wanted places that could stretch and contract, based on the night and the audience. I wanted to deliberately have places that could breathe and we could do different things, because different things will feel good on different nights.

You mentioned stretching and changing the songs and the improvisational moments. Talk about that a little bit — working those out within the structure of the studio and keeping that balance of instrumental breaks and vocals.

That was definitely a consideration. We want the songs to be first and foremost. I feel like everything serves the song. If there needs to be a big solo to make the song feel complete, then that’s what should happen on the record. But it also comes down to who you have in the studio.
I was able to get some of the best musicians out there, and when you’ve got people like that, they all intuitively are able to create magic. We all know when it’s right, when the arrangement is right, and when the take is right. Brent is definitely the overarching ears, but oftentimes the whole band is going to come to a consensus on what the best take was. It’s a feeling. When you’ve got people like that in the studio, they just make the magic.

Your early love was ear training, rather than theory, but your formal education at Berklee was, in fact, theory. Did that require any undoing of what we’ll call “bad habits”?

It was a real challenge. I’ve always been an ear learner. That’s always been easy for me, and visually has always been harder. In the Berklee environment, there were ear-training classes, of course, but the majority of stuff was eye-based and that was really tough. I had to work extra hard to develop that at all, but learning theory does really help make stuff make sense and makes me able to make faster connections. Once you actually learn how those sound, then you have the complete picture, and so I was able to put together a lot of the pieces while I was at school, and connect some dots that I hadn’t really understood before.

Now I’m back to being an ear person. I never read music. I’ll look at a chart if I need to, but as soon as I can get it in my head, I’m able to play better than if I’m staring at the chart. In the studio you do have the charts, but it feels like everybody uses the charts as a very rough guide just to make sure they’re on track. But they’ve got it in their minds more intuitively, and so they are really playing by ear after the second take.

True or false: When you went to Berklee, you were on track to study jazz.

True. That was my idea — I thought I was going to be a Celtic jazz fiddler. I was going to blend the two somehow together. I got to Berklee and jazz was really hard. There was this whole American Roots Music program that had just started, and they’d brought all these great bluegrass players there that year. I met them all and was at jams with them and I got really inspired to play bluegrass.

Do you see a throughline in those two genres, which on the surface may seem completely different, but at the core are about improvisation and jamming?

Oh, totally. And they’re both authentic American forms of music, which is super cool. I think what made bluegrass easier to get into, rather than jazz, is because I’m coming from a fiddle background. I had this fiddle vocabulary. I had to learn the bluegrass idiom to some degree, but it all was a lot closer to what I was used to than learning a whole jazz language, so it felt like an easier way to express myself and be able to improvise in a genre that was closer to home.

Do you still feel some of that jazz influence in your playing?

I’m always going to be inspired by it. Honestly, the further I get with bluegrass, and the more comfortable I get with bluegrass, I feel like I can stretch out and try for some extended notes or weird-sounding stuff or some more jazz vocabulary. I feel like you never stop learning, and hopefully you never stop growing, as a musician, so that does feel like something I would love to get more and more into.

You are the outlier who loves to practice. What does your practice consist of? How do you keep it enjoyable as opposed to becoming a chore?

Oh, man. I wish I had more time to practice. I don’t have enough time these days and it’s a bummer, actually. There are times when it’s a chore, but that’s when there’s a certain thing I have to do, something I have to learn. Usually what makes it fun is visualizing where it’s going, visualizing that I’m going to play this onstage, and so I’m going to come up with all these cool ideas. Thinking about playing for a crowd or playing for somebody makes it fun. I love learning new stuff. The challenge of learning somebody’s solo or learning a new tune or song is fun.

A learning experience versus scales or finger exercises.

Definitely. But I go through periods of time recognizing some technique issue that needs to be resolved and trying to work on that in particular, and that is very satisfying too. It’s almost like going to the gym and working on abs, or arm day, and the satisfaction when you’re in it or when you’ve done it. You’re like, “I did something for myself today.”

Keeping with the gym analogy, how much of the live performance is muscle memory?

That’s what you’re relying on. That’s the thing that, first of all, helps you out in a high-pressure situation. Anytime I’m on a television show or something, I’ve made sure I’ve played that song so many times that if I’m going to have to play it one more time, hopefully there’s almost no way I can mess it up.

It also gives you this bedrock for improvisation and trying new things, because you have this thing that you can fall back on. You have this comfort with the song or with a certain solo, and then you’re like, “I know how this goes, so I can step away from it and always feel like I have something to come back to.”

What makes you a good bandleader? What did you learn as a band member that you apply to now being in charge?

I feel a lot of responsibility to the band on so many levels. I want to make sure there’s enough shows for them to make enough money, I want to make sure the travel is good, their accommodations are comfortable, that the schedule is clear, that they have enough time to have breakfast, all these little things. I think a good bandleader genuinely cares about their band and puts their band first in terms of comfort.
I do all the driving, and I try to make everybody’s life as comfortable as possible, because it’s a big sacrifice on their end. They’re going out for a whole year, or however long, to play my music, and it’s a real honor that such great musicians would do that, so I try to put them first as much as I can.

You do all the driving?

When we’re in a van, I do. Sometimes they help. They’re always offering to help, but there’s a stubborn part of me that feels like that’s not their job and they shouldn’t have to do that. It’s my burden to bear. Hopefully, at some point, I’ll be able to hire a tour manager to do that, but for now I try to do it. It’s just the five of us on the road, no extra help, so it’s all hands on deck and they are all super helpful. It really feels like a team effort, which is awesome.

Do you still teach?

I do occasionally. I’ve got a couple students, one kid and a couple adults, over Zoom, and occasionally I do group classes over Zoom, which has been really fun and a nice way to reach more people. I love teaching. I used to do a lot of it, and I feel like I have a lot to share and a lot of insight. I didn’t grow up playing bluegrass. I came to it when I was a late teenager and in college, so I feel like I had to analyze it more to make it make sense to me, and maybe some of the ways I approached it at that time have helped a lot of my students.

What do students want to learn and what do they need to learn?

Sometimes they want to learn flashy licks, and what they need is better timing and fundamentals. I think that’s the classic teacher-student push and pull — the student wants to learn something fun, and the teacher sees fundamental issues that are going to prevent them from moving forward until they deal with them. So it’s trying to balance that as a teacher and make sure the lesson is fun, but that they can still improve these fundamental things.

What do you hope people take from Rattlin’ Bones, and what do you hope to bring to the stage as a group when you perform this music?

I hope it’s a fun album for people to listen to. I hope it’s one they want to come back to. I hope it’s one they want to turn up loud and blast on a road trip. I wanted to make a fun album, and I wanted to make an album of songs that would be fun to play live. So I hope that translates into the show.

We have been playing some of these songs live, but I’m so excited for people to have heard the record and then recognize the songs when we play them. It’s always a rush when you’ve heard a song on the record and the band is playing the song you’ve been listening to live. I’m excited to have those moments.


Editor’s Note: Our interview with Bronwyn included many more lovely excerpts and conversations than could be included in this one article. We’ve gathered a few excerpts from our interview about inspiration, songwriting, and the stories behind a few of the brand new songs, in an exclusive for BGS Bandwagon members.

Photo Credit: Alexa King Stone

Mountain Grass Unit Is Fired Up for Appalachian Smoke

Praised by everyone from Billy Strings to Del McCoury as one of the next great jamgrass bands, Mountain Grass Unit stormed onto the scene with sold-out shows and high-profile festival gigs across the country — all before the band members graduated college.

With degrees now secured, the four-piece band — Drury Anderson (mandolin), Luke Black (acoustic guitar, banjo), Sam Wilson (upright bass) and Josiah Nelson (fiddle) — is fully focused on music, with a brand new album, Appalachian Smoke, poised to begin Mountain Grass Unit’s grooviest chapter yet.

Produced by Vance Powell, the album leans mostly into the band’s improvisational tendencies while touching on everything from time on the road (“Homebound Troubadour”) to being at a crossroads in life (“Wait For Me”) and losing your faith (“Darkness Rollin’ In”). However, Mountain Grass Unit also gives a nod to bluegrass’ traditional era with the Michael Cleveland-featured “Another Sunday Again” and the Aubory Bugg co-write “Suspicion,” the latter of which revolves around second-guessing the relationships you’re in.

Despite the record’s themes of uncertainty, Appalachian Smoke sees Mountain Grass Unit more confident and at peace than ever before. With a wave of momentum already behind the band (and the jamgrass movement as a whole), its members are excited to see where this new music takes them.

“With the development of AI and not knowing what’s real in music, I think a lot of people are beginning to appreciate the more tangible forms of it, and I don’t think anything is more real than bluegrass,” Wilson tells BGS. “Billy [Strings] isn’t the first to do it, but he’s really brought bluegrass and jam band fans together in a way that few others have. His success has opened a lot of doors for kids like us that began playing in bluegrass in middle school before it was cool. I hope that trend continues and people keep enjoying not just the new music coming out, but appreciating all the great stuff that laid the foundation before them as well.”

Ahead of Appalachian Smoke’s release, Sam Wilson and Josiah Nelson joined BGS to discuss their introductions to bluegrass, making music post-graduation, and filling in for Billy Strings himself at Renewal in 2024.

BGS: What was your relationship with bluegrass like prior to forming and/or joining Mountain Grass Unit?

Sam: To be honest with you, I didn’t really know much about the genre and came into all of this pretty blind, but the guys gave me a good introduction to it all. They started me on the classics like the Bluegrass Album Band, Newgrass Revival and Sam Bush. Then years later I discovered Mr. Billy Strings, which was another level of that. Being as young as I was going into it, I didn’t have any knowledge of bluegrass besides stereotypically thinking it was hillbilly music. But then as I started to play, go to jams and interact with the community, it opened my mind to the beauty behind the music and just how special it really is.

Josiah: My grandparents played country music, so I grew up around family jams but never played. Then one day a fiddle player moved in down the street and brought her kids into the dentist office my mom worked at to get some work done. Growing up on a farm, my parents decided to trade her some livestock and sheep compost for my first fiddle lessons. She was in the Texas scene doing competitive fiddling, so naturally that’s what I wound up gravitating toward as well. All the while my grandparents were taking me to bluegrass festivals. Even though I didn’t play bluegrass yet, I was always listening attentively.

A few years later when I turned 16, my parents got my first car and I remember sitting in it all day listening to Bluegrass Junction on SiriusXM radio. After graduating high school I worked at the Lazy B Chuckwagon dinner theatre in Estes Park, Colorado, before moving away, going on to study bluegrass at East Tennessee State University and helping start the Trey Wellington Band. Eventually Luke came and toured the school and realized we liked the same music. At the same time I was ready to move on and try something new, leading to the situation I’m in now with the Mountain Grass Unit.

Josiah, you joined the band in 2024. Does that mean this record is your first studio material being featured with them?

Josiah: No, actually. Before joining the band, I remember talking with Luke and telling him if they ever needed a fiddle for anything to let me know. After initially saying they didn’t need anything, he called me about a week later to say they were about to go into the studio and wanted me to join them on what wound up being the Runnin’ From Trouble EP. That led to them to asking me to join them for 10 dates on their summer tour, but only two shows in they sat me down and asked me to join them full time. Looking back on that project, it’s amazing to see how much tighter I’ve grown in the band in such a short amount of time, but that’s what a couple hundred shows together will do for you.

Sam: Even prior to Josiah joining the band, we’d invite him to come sit in whenever we’d cross paths. One time in particular, he showed up expecting to play only one or two songs, but we wanted him for the whole set. We threw him into the fire without him knowing any of the material, but he ended up doing great. Because of that, we already knew he was the right fit before we ever invited him to record or join the band for good.

Throwing Josiah into the thick of things like that reminds me of a collective experience y’all had a couple years ago when you were tasked with filling in for Billy Strings at his Renewal Festival after he departed to attend the birth of his child. What was that experience like for you?

Sam: It was such a big moment for us being invited to that in the first place because we’re all massive Billy Strings fans. Everyone understood the situation and did a great job coming together to organize new material and sets to keep the show going on. I think one of the days, we played eight sets or something — it was crazy!

Josiah: A couple months before this happened, we played High Sierra Fest and they asked us to do a Billy Strings cover set, so we already had a bunch of material ready from that. So when Billy’s manager came up and asked if we wanted to go up and play some of his songs, we were more than ready to go. It was hectic but nobody panicked. We all knew when this was scheduled that [Billy leaving early] was a possibility when they found out the baby’s due date. But we made it work and it wound up being a really cool moment in the community and for us as a band.

Earlier y’all mentioned Josiah’s introduction to the band being in the studio. With that in mind, how was the process of recording with him different this time around?

Sam: There are a couple levels to this since we’ve got so many shows under our belt together now. But most importantly, we weren’t in school this time when we went into the studio. Everything we’d done previously was completed while we were in high school and college, whenever we could get together on the weekends. We were all coming from different places but this time we all moved to Nashville and were together every day for nearly three months writing, rehearsing and beating these songs with a hammer until they were the best they could possibly be. That combined with all the shows we’ve played gave this album a much more natural and confident feel.

Y’all have alluded a couple times now to hitting the road really hard since putting school in the rearview mirror. Are those travels and the resulting time away from home what inspired the song “Homebound Troubadour”?

Sam: Road dogging is definitely a big part of it. Luke brought us that song a while ago, but it had a different chorus and just wasn’t quite right, so we spent a lot of time figuring it out. Eventually the chorus got changed to “Homebound Troubadour” because Luke had done a project on troubadours in college and began making the correlation between it and what we were doing traveling together to play these shows.

Were there any other songs like that on this record where the chorus or song structure changed once you brought it into the studio?

Josiah: Another one Luke had for a long time was “Eagle’s Nest.” A couple years ago we had a tour stop at Santa Cruz Guitars and he played an instrumental version. Ever since then he’d been wanting to write words for it and record it, so when we got back in the studio last year it was at the top of our priority list to finish fleshing out.

Sam: We wrote it in one afternoon as the first part of another song that didn’t wind up making it on the album. We wanted [“Eagle’s Nest”] to be this progressive intro into that song, like Pink Floyd’s “Another Brick in the Wall” Parts 1 and 2, but something about it just didn’t feel right. But on “Eagle’s Nest,” with the help of Josiah’s pedal board wizardry and Vance Powell’s studio magic, we were able to add the elements from both into one. There’s all kinds of weird stuff on it, from an electric sitar to an octave mandolin. We spent a couple days experimenting on it and are really happy with the result.

Tell me about the song “Appalachian Smoke.” On one hand, it feels like a song about addiction, but it also feels like a tune proclaiming your love for where you come from. Care to elaborate?

Sam: There are a couple different ideas that make up the meat of that song, and addiction is a big part of it. The idea of the term ‘Appalachian smoke’ could be anything, from a battle with drugs and other substances to struggling to not stare at the smartphone in your pocket. It’s like, what is the smoke that you’re falling for?

What was the band’s motivation for making that song the album’s title track?

Sam: There was a lot of discussion about that, but it came down to two things: it’s a fun song for us to play and it has a cool name. We also think it’s a good bridge between the progressive and traditional worlds of bluegrass that encapsulates the vibe we’re going for with this album as a whole.

The closing track “Another Sunday Again” has a distinctly old-time vibe with lots of fiddle and harmonies. Is that always how you envisioned the song turning out?

Josiah: It was always pretty stripped back. I remember working on it at my parents’ house a couple years ago. We’d always wanted to do a power waltz, Jimmy Martin-ish kind of thing, and that’s just how it came together when we started playing it. When we went into the studio, twin fiddles seemed like a good fit, so we reached out to Michael Cleveland, who’s been my hero since I was a little kid. I remember hearing him at one of the first bluegrass festivals I ever attended back when I was still playing Texas-style and my mind being blown by the intensity and raw nature of his playing. Since then I’ve tried to emulate him whenever I’m playing bluegrass, so when it came to the fast-paced nature of that song and wanting to have twin fiddles on it, he was the first person that came to mind.

The album flows really well, almost like a live show. How intentional were you with track sequencing and trying to replicate how you sound in concert in the studio?

Josiah: It was definitely something we sat down and had discussions about. I remember talking about having “Wait For Me” come during the first down moment of the album and how “Another Sunday Again” would be a great way to close things out. It’s like our live setlist, but different because we’re not trying to maximize energy. Instead, it’s more about laying down the vibe and getting the flow right so that the listener takes the album in from start to finish, especially since we have some fresh vinyl to go with it. We just got our personal copies in the mail and have some different color variants (along with a splatter) we hope our fans will enjoy.

Sam: We had a buddy of ours, Carlo Welsh, do the album art. It’s a forest scene with all these different creatures and little hints that reference each song. For example, on a tree there’s a window that represents “Window for a Friend.” There’s also a tombstone for “Where Steamboats Go to Die,” an eagle in a nest and much more. It turned out great and he didn’t use any typography at all. He wanted the artwork and characters to stand on their own, and he did just that.

What has the process of bringing Appalachian Smoke to life taught you about yourselves?

Josiah: It’s taught us the value of persistence and hard work. We were talking to Drury yesterday and he had what he called a “come to Jesus moment” when we got our vinyl in because it’s the culmination of over a year’s work writing, arranging and laying everything down in the studio, so to finally have this tangible thing in your hands is a big accomplishment and something we’re really proud of.

Sam: It’s also taught us that with our collaborative effort we can come up with something together that’s better than anything we could ever do on our own.


Photo Credit: Shervin Lainez

Earl Scruggs Music Festival Honors a Bluegrass Banjo Hero

The sheer beauty and alluring magic of the Earl Scruggs Music Festival is akin to the film Field of Dreams. That adage of, “If you build it, they will come.”

Why else would one of the premier bluegrass gatherings be held at an equestrian center in the middle of nowhere, just off a rural highway, surrounded by vast farm fields in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains of Western North Carolina, and work to absolute perfection year after year?

Well, it does. And for its fifth anniversary, the festival, held at Tryon International, once again invited a slew of the marquee names when it comes to the “high, lonesome sound” and those arena acts orbiting the genre itself: The Avett Brothers, Greensky Bluegrass, The Del McCoury Band, Béla Fleck, Rhonda Vincent & The Rage, Alison Brown, Mountain Grass Unit, Lindsay Lou, Della Mae, East Nash Grass, The Earls of Leicester, and more.

“He was my gateway. If it weren’t for Earl, I wouldn’t be me,” says Brown, a world-renowned banjoist and co-founder of Compass Records. “Earl was a traditionalist, in the sense that he created this style that we all play, which we consider to be the cornerstone of bluegrass. But, he was an adventurer. He was not afraid to take the banjo to places it hadn’t been before.”

Born just down the road from the festival grounds in Cleveland County in 1924, Scruggs revolutionized the banjo when he perfected a three-finger approach to the instrument. With clawhammer banjo using down-picking (using the thumb and middle or index finger), “Scruggs Style” utilized the thumb, middle and index, resulting in a rapid picking tempo known as “rolls.”

“When I was first starting to learn [banjo], I was playing out of the Earl Scruggs book,” says Michael Bont, banjoist for Greensky Bluegrass. “And I’ll never forget, there was this morning where I had been practicing the rolls and trying to play the songs, and it was ‘Little Cabin Home on the Hill.’ That’s the song [where I went], ‘Oh my god, I’m doing it.’ It never ceases to amaze me [how Earl developed] this new style of playing an instrument.”

At age 21, Scruggs joined Bill Monroe & His Blue Grass Boys. On Dec. 8, 1945, Scruggs found himself on the Grand Ole Opry at Nashville’s Ryman Auditorium when Monroe debuted his new sound to numerous standing ovations. Although Monroe had built this “muscle car” of a band that would showcase a whole new genre of music, it was Scruggs who was the gasoline that put Monroe’s vision into motion. Not long after, Scruggs would form the wildly popular Flatt & Scruggs with his Blue Grass Boys bandmate, guitarist Lester Flatt; when that duo broke up, he created the groundbreaking Earl Scruggs Revue with his sons Randy and Gary. A third son, Steve, later joined the group, too. In 2012, Earl Scruggs passed away at age 88.

Behind the festival is a partnership between the Earl Scruggs Center in Shelby (in Cleveland County), Isothermal Community College and WNCW 88.7 FM (both located in nearby Spindale). Coming together to share the story of Scruggs and expand his legacy in the 21st century, the trio built this annual gathering from the ground up, where it’s now become a bona fide bastion of bluegrass music and camaraderie.

“When you go into the first [festival], you never know if it’s going to be successful, and you always hope the next year is bigger,” says Mary Beth Martin, executive director of the Earl Scruggs Center. “But, then to be crossing this milestone of year five is pretty amazing — people are marking it on their calendar every year.”

Since its inception, the festival has showcased some of the biggest names in bluegrass and beyond: Alison Krauss & Union Station, Marty Stuart & His Fabulous Superlatives, Tanya Tucker, Yonder Mountain String Band, The Wood Brothers, Peter Rowan, Old Crow Medicine Show, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, etc.

“Honestly, just the love that people have for the music and for the acts we’re bringing in is really touching and inspiring,” Martin says. “Because, at the same time, they also have that same love for Earl, and we’re continuing to put his legacy front and center.”

Friday afternoon. Heading backstage, I approach the green room trailer for The Earls of Leicester, a Grammy Award-winning bluegrass group that exclusively performs songs from the Flatt & Scruggs repertoire. Knocking on the door, dobro legend Jerry Douglas answers. As someone who personally knew Scruggs and spent decades getting to interact with the man himself, onstage and off, Douglas can’t help but be proud of what the festival is cultivating from both sides of the microphone.

“Every little niche of [Earl’s] musical life is being explored here,” Douglas says. “And, like Earl, the festival is doing [what he did] — staying open-minded and taking the music forward. There’s room for everybody, and we’re just pushing the envelope a little bit more.”

For Douglas, he remains in awe of Scruggs and the music he created.

“Every time I go away from it and come back to it and listen to it again, I’m amazed all over again that it even happened the first time,” Douglas notes. “And how a guy like him played this kind of music, and was able to push a whole band, a whole idiom that far.”

Before I exit the trailer, Douglas pulls an antique red bow tie out of his travel bag. Placing it on the table, he looks at it, then looks at me. “That was Cedric’s,” Douglas says.

“Cedric Rainwater?” I reply in amazement.

“Yep,” Douglas grins. “I’m letting our bass player wear it tonight.”

That evening, EOL bassist Daniel Kimbro is sporting the bow tie, this incredibly powerful symbol of Howard “Cedric Rainwater” Watts, a first-generation name etched into the bedrock of bluegrass, a musician who played bass in Bill Monroe’s Blue Grass Boys, the “Original Bluegrass Band” when Monroe debuted his new sound alongside Scruggs in the mid-1940s. Watts would later become a member of Flatt & Scruggs’ Foggy Mountain Boys and Hank Williams’ Drifting Cowboys.

Right after the whirlwind performance ends, Kimbro walks sidestage and tracks down Douglas. He hands the tie back and thanks him for letting him wear it, if but for a moment. “Keep it, it looks good on you,” Douglas says with a smile. Kimbro is rendered speechless by the poignant gesture.

Following EOL was Béla Fleck, who closed out the Flint Hill Stage on Friday night with his project, My Bluegrass Heart, which has been the banjo wizard’s highly successful return to his musical roots in recent years.

“I didn’t know I was a banjo person. Then I heard Earl Scruggs play the banjo, and suddenly I was a banjo person. He was the spark, and he’s that for a lot of people,” Fleck says backstage. “Something about Earl has that sound that makes people go, ‘Well, I don’t know what that is, but I’ve got to hear more, and I’ve got to figure out what it is’ — he had that effect on me.”

Featuring a rotating cast of stellar musicians, Fleck presented fiddler Michael Cleveland, bassist Mark Schatz, guitarist Jake Stargel, Dobro player Jeff Partin, fiddler Maddie Denton and mandolinist Harry Clark (the latter two of East Nash Grass) to a raucous audience soaking it all in.

“The part of that [musical] language that all banjo players always come back to is Earl Scruggs,” Cleveland says. “It doesn’t matter what else I’m doing, I can always turn on Flatt & Scruggs and it’s like hearing it for the first time.”

The festival grounds also showcase an endless sea of bluegrass activities and educational opportunities to immerse oneself in the history and lore of not only the genre itself, but that of Western North Carolina, too. There were numerous musical workshops and live audience Q&A sessions with artists, and even the “Spirits of Bluegrass,” a cultural collaboration and tasting area sponsored by The Bluegrass Situation and featuring local/regional distillers.

Saturday evening. The Del McCoury Band is headlong into its Flint Hill Stage set. Nowadays regarded as the elder statesmen of bluegrass, the 87-year-old McCoury represents the finest in traditional sounds. He also remains this sponge of curiosity, this open-minded, kind heart and carefree, welcoming soul that mirrors the ethos of Scruggs in more ways than just the music.

“If I hadn’t heard Earl Scruggs when I did, I wouldn’t be playing today,” McCoury says in a humble tone. “There’s something that just struck me about him. He was a genius. All of those great banjo players learned from Earl.” (To note, although McCoury is well-known for his guitar playing, he originally started out in the bluegrass realm as a banjo picker.)

“High on a mountain oh, wind blowin’ free/Thinking about the days that used to be,” McCoury’s high, powerful tenor voice rings out, his signature tone ricocheting around the arena and across the nearby fields. “High on a mountain oh, standin’ all alone/Wondering where the years of my life has flown.”

Sitting sidestage watching McCoury intently was 19-year-old Murphy Campbell. Performing earlier in the day as part of the Blue Ridge Music Trails presentation, Campbell, a native of Western North Carolina, is a rising old-time banjo player/singer. For her, music is not only tradition, it’s life, and to see McCoury in all his glory was something she was grateful for, and inspired by.

“We all have this common goal of preservation, and to see people do it on such a large scale is deeply encouraging,” Campbell says. “I’m not used to stuff like this, it’s crazy to watch it from [sidestage]. I never thought that me playing the banjo would get me here to sit and watch [Del] play.”

As of late, Campbell is in the midst of recording new renditions of old ballads that were cherished and collected by her ancestors over a century ago in Mitchell and Yancey counties in North Carolina. Those tunes were cataloged in the book English Folk Songs from Southern Appalachia, with Campbell’s relatives writing down their ballads back in 1918, on a date that coincides with Campbell’s exact birthday.

“We’re all grasping onto something that has roots, because no one feels like they [have roots] anymore” Campbell says when asked about the massive revival in string music in recent years. “And they hold on hard, real hard.”

And when it comes to North Carolina musical roots, you’d be hard-pressed to find deeper ones than those of The Avett Brothers. Tying a bow on the weekend with the honors of playing the Sunday finale, the Avetts roared across the stage with their mesmerizing blend of Americana, bluegrass and folk stylings, the culmination of which being this incredibly vibrant tone of heart and soul.

“Three words that became hard to say/I, and love, and you,” Scott Avett howled to the heavens, an audience of thousands of joyous faces in the grandstands completely mesmerized and singing along to every single word. “What you were then, I am today/Look at the things I do.”

“Earl Scruggs used to be the model for a technique when I started [playing banjo],” Avett says. “And the more I learned about Earl, followed what he did, and paid close attention to his creativity, I realized he was a pioneer in more than just a technique, he was a pioneer in being an individual.”

For Avett, “being an individual” is a core value of the band’s ethos, and something that genuinely reverberates throughout the festival and the artists taking the stage. All of this circling back to Earl Scruggs and what it means to be original and authentic, whether it’s in reference to one’s music and art or simply the way one interacts with the world at-large — this deep, intrinsic sense of curiosity and camaraderie, passion and purpose.

“Doc [Watson] told us personally, ‘You’re on your path. Stay on your path. You’re not on Doc Watson’s path,’” Avett says. “Tom T. Hall told us the exact same thing, Willie Nelson would say the same thing now. I think Earl would say, ‘You guys need to do what you do,’ and we take that to heart.”

See photos from the Flint Hill Stage at the 2026 Earl Scruggs Music Festival.


All photos courtesy of Earl Scruggs Music Festival. Lead image of The Avett Brothers: Bain Stewart.

The Bluegrass of Backline Sounds Like Home

When I call Katelyn Ingardia – songwriter, band leader, and lead singer of bluegrass band Backline – to chat about the South Carolina band’s new album, Turning New Ground, she’s at home in Easley, an adorable rural town steeped in bluegrass and nestled in the foothills of upstate S.C. Other current members of the band – Jacob Carroll (banjo), Alex Hampton (Dobro), David Heavner (mandolin), and Chris Williamson (bass) – make their homes sprinkled not far away throughout north Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina.

Together, the ensemble sounds exactly like their southern Appalachian homeplaces. Traditional bluegrass – “mash,” old-timey mountain sounds, hard-driving rhythms, familiar idioms – coupled with a crisp modern flair, story-rich songwriting, and forward-looking production and arrangements.

It may seem their music is a far, far cry from the songs that would have emanated from the nearby textile mills found along the “fall line” and up into the Appalachian foothills, but the band’s name isn’t the only touchstone that hearkens to this era in bluegrass history. In our conversation, Ingardia draws a direct line from the semi-rural, suburban industrialization of the area in which they live to their own music, today. And you can hear the grit, authenticity, and power they channel from their regions and ancestors on Turning New Ground.

There’s plenty of life and rejuvenation breathed into this collection by the group – and their producer, Jeff Partin – after a decade of performing and recording. The energy is subdued and passionate all at once, bluegrass with momentum and feel that isn’t ever hobbled by its need to prove anything. You can relax and be soothed by these songs, or be driven to dancing, hooting, and hollering, too. And the songwriting – much executed by Ingardia herself – helps mightily to sell this subtle balance of new and old, soft and strong, driving and laid back that you can sense throughout the LP.

In the year 2026, bluegrass is still being born from the Piedmont, the foothills, the fall line – from textile mills and corn fields and twisty backroads and little villages between Georgia and the Carolinas. And while it might not exactly sound like what you’d expect to arrive from such a lineage, the music of Backline still – always – sounds exactly like home.

I figure we start with the new album, right? Turning New Ground is your fifth album since you were founded in 2016. In the liner notes, you mention that the project really is “turning new ground” in many ways, and you say that you hope folks can hear that on the record. Why is it important for you to bring in freshness? And I wonder, if you were to sit down with someone uninitiated, what would you point out on this album as being that “new ground” y’all are turning over? Is it the songwriting? Is it the production? Is it the song curation?

Katelyn Ingardia: When we were talking about new ground, we actually had a couple years of a lot of rebuilding. The first few years we had really good success. We were moving quickly to hitting those “dream stages,” I call them. Those bucket-list stages and festivals. Then, of course, the whole world got turned upside down there for a little stint [with the pandemic]. When we came back from that, we had a lot of member changes – I think it was 2022 when I took over as full bandleader.

We had some great label options on the table at that time that were saying, “We wanna sign y’all,” but I didn’t feel like musically we were at the place where we were giving something back to the industry that we wanted to present. We actually had those hard conversations. It’s like, “I just don’t feel in my gut this is where we need to be to give our best,” you know?

Once we found the sound that we wanted – a modern sound, but a traditional flair – when David came aboard, and Jacob and Alex, who are the guys in the band now, it was like all the pieces started to fall together.

I had released [my solo project] Getaway during this rebuild craziness and worked with Jeff Partin as a producer on that record. That was a huge change, ’cause we’d never had a produced record before. I loved the dynamic of the songs working with Jeff and Aaron Ramsey. I just got to talking to Jeff and I was like, “Man, I’d love for you to come aboard and be the producer for Backline’s next record. This is the kind of vibe I wanna be in. This is the kind of music that I would love to make.” It’s complex, but still genuine. And still, hopefully, relatable for a listener. From there, we just started gathering material and seeing how this album could come together.

I’ve always been really picky with albums. I love a cohesive album. I love something that has a little bit of everything, but it’s supposed to be together. Jeff saw that and understood where we were coming from. When we went into the studio for this record, our banjo player [Jacob Carroll] had only been with us for two months. That’s kinda where the “turning new ground” part came from. And the new sound, it was a lot of the production and having that outside source that gets you out of your ruts and your habits, you know?

One of the things I love most about this record is that it’s so chill. You guys are in the pocket – and you’re driving and you’re really aggressive at times, too, but you’re also subdued and telling sensitive stories at other times. It’s not a quiet album, but it’s subdued in its power. Do you think that’s something Jeff brought to the table? How do you think you struck that energetic balance? It’s a really dynamic album.

Well, I love happy accidents, but I think it’s a combination of the lyrics in the songs with Jeff’s producing – and how he writes and how he thinks musically – that brought a lot of those songs together. If I sent you the roughs of how I played them with the guitar and how I wrote them, they’re not far off from the melodies. So then I send them to Jeff and Jeff takes them, adds a flair and a flavor. He’s like, “You know, that chord works, but what if we tried this minor chord here?” Those discussions I think just elevate it.

I think sometimes songwriters can run into the problem of being a stickler about how they want it and how they wrote it. So, going into this, it’s like giving someone your baby. I really tried to be laid-back on that and just say, “I want the songs to be what they’re supposed to be.” I want them to feel like they’re supposed to feel and just to come together organically. That was the attack on the Getaway record, and this record, and the future album to come. We wanted it to come organically and to just flow.

We go into the studio, we chart them and build them in the studio. It’s not like we’ve been rehearsing for months at a time. It’s very organic, which I think entails a lot of the freshness you were asking about. But then, like you were saying, the calmness – I don’t really know. I think it’s just a combo of the material, the people working together, and that organic build in the studio that brings that.

You’re an excellent songwriter, and you’ve written about six out of these 10 tracks. What is your songwriting process like? You talked a little bit ago about collecting material for the album. It sounds like you are following the songs organically as the inspiration comes. But do you sit down every day to write? What does a songwriting session look like for you?

I think it’s kind of different. I know there’s some songwriters that thrive off of sitting every day and writing, just throughout the day, a couple of hours a day, or something like that. I lean more to the inspiration side of things.

I also love diving into different genres of music and different artists. For instance, “Dark Rolling Deep,” I was on a Lord Huron kick. Have you ever heard of them? They’re out of Canada. I was on a huge Lord Huron kick at that point, listening to different songs and tracks, and it inspired me melodically. I was like, “Man, I love that sound. I wonder if there’s a bluegrass song out there that has that feel?”

From there, I had a picture – I’m very visually-minded, so a lot of times I’ll have a picture pop up in my head, almost like a movie. It’s weird. I was like, “It would be really cool to write a song about wooden ships.” That led me to going and studying what was so unique about that time, and sailors. And that led me to folklore and superstitions. They had a ton of superstitions. From there, it led me into this whole path of building the story that I saw in my mind. Stuff like that happens a lot.

I also get hook lines in my head, I’ll jot them down and then come back to them. Then in co-writing, just in the last two years I’ve been able to do a lot more industry co-writes and stuff like that. That’s been a learning curve for me, ’cause I’ve done co-writes before, but not with industry professionals. And to learn from them– like Rick Lang, he was one of the first ones that ever invited me to come and sit down with him.

I love “Dark Rolling Deep,” too, because I grew up being a masher and playing really hard-driving bluegrass and I love that y’all can still do that – you still have those moments of “SON!” on this record – but you have such a range of material and such a range of textures and styles. You have moments that are almost orchestrated in the arrangements, like this one, and some much more simple and straightforward songs, too. You straddle a lot of bluegrass styles, from traditional to “mash” to newgrass.

I appreciate you saying that. That’s a huge part, and it’s a huge part of what we wanna do. It goes back to that thought of the organic growth and flow of the record, but also talking about Alison [Krauss’s] records or even Lee Ann [Womack’s] records. There was never a song on those albums that I remember wanting to turn off, you know what I mean?

Exactly. No skips.

There was always a song that was coming up, and it didn’t matter what week or what year [I played it], I would have a new favorite song from the same album. For me, as not only a songwriter but an artist, that’s what I want, you know? I want there to be so much material and so much diversity on the record that it’s all supposed to be together, but there’s something there for everybody. Or there’s something there for me on a different day.

Another song that jumped out at me – this is probably my favorite on the record – is “Just Country.” About nostalgia, belonging, home. It’s archetypical bluegrass, obviously, but it also makes me think about how bluegrass always falls under the country umbrella, whether we lose sight of that or not. Can you talk a little bit about what “being country” means to you and how you wrote that one?

Well, this one’s a really special one to me, because I did write it about home. I grew up in a small town and I think, for me, it stemmed off of that small-town life. The more we travel, the more you realize that no matter where you are, there’s a small-town life out there being lived. Then also the line, “No matter where the journey takes me, I can always come back home,” it could also mean in memory, too. Because “back home” changes so much.

I live about an hour from where I grew up. My parents, my grandparents, my sister, all of them still live there. I go back pretty frequently and there’s always a notice of change. There’s always a new traffic light or where we used to hang out after school and get glass-bottled Nehis is shut down and now it’s apartments. It’s all those things. I remember driving home one day and I started thinking about all the special things that I remember about that place that I love. It shaped me and it created different memories and different aspects of my life. I got home and started writing down all those little things that stood out to me. You’re looking around, you’re driving through, you’re seeing all the things.

That was kind of the picture that I wanted to paint in that song. I think this song alludes to that. Home is gonna change, it’s gonna evolve. When you go back and you ride through it, it’s probably gonna be different, but your memories and those special things to you will always be there, and you are home. That’s your home – and you’re a home for someone else, you know? It has such a deep definition.

Home shows up all across this record. “Living on the Backline,” “Not All Roads,” “Just Country.” Do you think your sound, like the literal sound of the bluegrass you make, is that how bluegrass sounds at home to you? Does it sound like upstate South Carolina? Or the Carolinas in general? To me it does, but I wonder what you think. You’re talking about home, you’re singing about home, but I think you guys “sound like home,” too. And I wondered what you felt about that.

We’re definitely tied to our roots. I mean, Backline, the name and “Living on the Backline,” that’s all tied to textile mills and the history of that culture. Our name we got because we wanted something to tie to home. Originally the band was started out of Spartanburg, South Carolina, ’cause all the members are from there. And now we’re regional, we’ve kind of spread out and members are from Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina.

But “Living on the Backline,” my grandparents worked at a textile mill. They had mills in Georgia and a lot of Chris’s family came from that kind of life. Up in Fort Mill, Asheville, those areas in North Carolina, Jacob and David can relate to that and that kind of life. It’s all leading back to what’s real and telling those stories that make it relatable. Because, like I said, they’re small towns and there’s history that people are proud of from where they live. They live in these places and they wanna tell you the stories about their town, because it’s a part of them. I love that you picked that up. I don’t know if we sound like everybody, but I think we’ve pulled so much from these areas.

You know, there was a place in Chesnee, South Carolina, called The Homespun and my dad would take us down there every Friday night and we’d play bluegrass. Everybody would sit in a big circle. There were places up in Georgia, like the Chicken Shack that Chris grew up in, and all those people would come and play bluegrass and jam, and that’s how he learned, you know? I think a lot of the places where we lived, this South Carolina, North Carolina music – I mean, the Feed and Seed in Fletcher, North Carolina, up near Asheville, they have a big jam and they’ve had bluegrass music for years.

I think all of that pours into us, and we take pieces of it with us. And to take those things and then share them across the country in our music, and for it to be real to someone – that’s the goal.


Photo Credit: Cherry Rose Photography