The Working Songwriter: David Shaw of The Revivalists

Our guest this week is David Shaw, the lead singer and principal songwriter of the rock band The Revivalists.

Originally hailing from Hamilton, Ohio, Shaw moved south to New Orleans after college graduation. A chance encounter with guitarist Zack Feinberg helped launch The Revivalists in 2007. After years of relentless touring, the band broke through nationally with 2015’s Men Amongst Mountains and the single “Wish I Knew You,” which went to number one at alternative radio and has since been certified triple platinum. The band has since amassed more than 1.6 billion streams worldwide.

Along the way, The Revivalists have opened for The Rolling Stones, The Black Crowes, and Dr. John. They’ve appeared at Lollapalooza, Bonnaroo, the New Orleans Jazz Fest. They’ve also performed on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel Live! and Austin City Limits.

“Wish I Knew You” earned an iHeartRadio Music Award nomination for Alternative Rock Song of the Year, while the band was nominated for Best New Rock/Alternative Rock Artist. Rolling Stone described their sound as “a Crescent City-rhythm spin on jam-band jubilee,” and Billboard has called them “a compelling blend of musical ingenuity and heart.”

I got a chance to catch up with David a few weeks ago to hear about his musical journey so far.

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Basic Folk: Jacob Sharp

A founding member of the beloved North Carolina bluegrass-ish band Mipso, Jacob Sharp has always loved a team. He attributes this to being a middle child, which is the basis for his debut solo album, Middle Kid. Born and raised in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains, Jacob not only loved being on a team but also radiated towards musical collaboration on guitar and mandolin. He studied at UNC Chapel Hill where he met his bandmates and formed Mipso in 2012. He ended up moving to Brooklyn after school where he fell into a musical community with folks like Courtney Hartman, The Brother Brothers, and Sarah Jarosz. From there, he and his wife moved to Los Angeles, then to Altadena, until the tragic wildfires of 2025. They eventually made their way back east and now reside once again in North Carolina. Their young daughter is named after Jacob’s mother, who died when he was 21 years old, just weeks before Mipso’s first concert.

Jacob is such an interesting and gentle person to be in conversation with in ways that make you want to know his whole story, which is vast! He speaks about his early life as well as the loss of his mother and what that feels like in tandem with becoming a parent himself. He is actively sharing music and surrounding his young daughter with music; we talk about what that looks like and how she’s responded. Jacob is also very passionate about wine and shares where that came from and how it intersects with music. We also discuss the possible future or non-future of Mipso, who announced an indefinite hiatus on May 7, 2025, and wrapped up their final shows from October 8–9, 2025. I’m thrilled Jacob released his solo album! I have loved all the solo songs he has dropped so far and the new record does not disappoint.

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The Other 22 Hours: Richard Thompson

Richard Thompson was a teenager when he co-founded the influential British folk-rock band Fairport Convention. In the six decades since, he wrote “1952 Vincent Black Lightning” (one of Time magazine’s greatest songs ever written), was appointed an Officer of the Order of the British Empire by Queen Elizabeth II, and landed among Rolling Stone’s 100 greatest guitarists. Yet when we asked what holds a working life together, his answers were small and practical: creative mornings before noon, a pile for every song that doesn’t fit, and an imaginary horse he starts catching at ten o’clock on show day. It’s a warm, wry conversation about sobriety since 23, the practice he keeps coming back to, and why “all the good songs are written in the margin.”

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The Other 22 Hours: Charlie Worsham

Charlie Worsham has spent twenty years becoming the guitar player Nashville calls first. He’s played in the bands of Vince Gill and Dierks Bentley, toured with Miranda Lambert and Taylor Swift, and been named CMA Musician of the Year and 2x ACM acoustic guitarist of the year. In August 2026, twenty years to the day after moving to town from Mississippi, he was invited by Vince Gill to join the Grand Ole Opry. He has also just released his first independent record after two solo records and two EPs for Warner Music.

And still, the end of a tour is a hard place to land. In this conversation, Charlie talks openly about coming home, the question he asks himself before he reaches for anything that numbs, and what it took for a lifelong A+ student to make peace with a C-. Plus, we talk about his tools and approaches to balancing mental health both at home and on the road. He also tells us about playing alongside a band of incarcerated men at Parchman Farm in Mississippi, and why those were some of the most important shows he’s ever played.

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.


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The Working Songwriter: Erin McAnally

Our guest this week is Erin McAnally. Born in Muscle Shoals, Alabama, and raised in Nashville, Erin grew up surrounded by the music business as the daughter of legendary songwriter and guitarist Mac McAnally. Over the years, she has worked in A&R, music publishing, and film and television scoring.

Alongside her husband and frequent collaborator Mick Utley, she co-wrote songs with Jimmy Buffett, including “Audience of One” and “Nobody Works on Friday,” both of which appeared on Buffett’s final album, Equal Strain on All Parts, released posthumously in 2023. She is also a founding member of Floating Collective, a musical project with Utley and Brendan Mayer, all three of whom are children of members of Buffett’s Coral Reefer Band. The group released its debut album in 2024.

Today, Erin serves as Executive Director of Songwriters of North America, advocating for the rights of working songwriters. Her work has taken her to SXSW, Americanafest, and Folk Alliance.

I got a chance to catch up with Erin McAnally to hear about her musical journey so far.

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Basic Folk: Charlie Parr

It’s Lizzie No speaking to you from Dublin, Ireland, where I recently moved! It’s fall here which makes my mind wander back to my home state of origin, New Jersey, where leaves are undoubtedly changing and cider donuts are being consumed. I hope you’re enjoying autumn wherever you are.

This summer I said goodbye to Nashville, Tennessee, where I had been living for the past three years. I also worked on a bunch of projects, rehomed my beloved foster dog Dino, and prepared myself logistically to move to a new country. I don’t think it was possible to prepare myself emotionally, but the paperwork is done, thank god. I’m mentioning all of this from my desk in Dublin because it’s hitting me how quickly a transition period can become a major chapter of your life, how quickly a temporary living situation can become home, and how all of a sudden things that felt permanent have become memories.

This leads me to my interview with Minnesota folk singer Charlie Parr, whose new album, Rooming House, comes out on Smithsonian Folkways on October 16. Rooming House is an emotionally impactful musical story in seven acts. Like a lot of Charlie Parr’s music, this album feels like a play where the stakes feel so real that you can’t help but walk away more empathetic for having experienced it. The setting is a rooming house, and the characters are the folks from young to old who have been thrown together by circumstance. It’s the type of brilliantly observed story-album that we are lucky enough to get when imaginative artists from working class backgrounds have the courage to tell stories.

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In addition to being a prolific songwriter, Charlie Parr is a fabulous guitar player and student of the blues, so our conversation covers some of his musical backstory in addition to a discussion of the album. On a personal note, in 2020 I made an exhaustive cross-genre list of the songs from the decade of the 2010s which had been most important to me, and Charlie Parr’s “Cheap Wine” came in at #1. His songs have accompanied me through a lot of life changes, so today is a big day for me, and a big day for Basic Folk.


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Max McNown, Naturally

With the arrival of his latest LP, Leave on a Light, McNown leans into the appreciation and love he has for those who have anchored him through the whirlwind last few years, and reminds the listener – and himself – of the value in slowing down to embrace the beauty around us.

In the matter of three short years, the Oregon native – now based in Nashville – has made a name for himself thanks to a rapidly growing body of work – including his breakout single, “A Lot More Free,” and the follow-up hit, “Better Me For You (Brown Eyes),” which climbed to No. 26 on the Billboard Hot 100 earlier this year.

As a native son of the Pacific Northwest, the region continues to influence his sound as he finds inspiration and respite in nature, creating “music that feels like the forest.” From the opposite side of the continent, McNown spoke with BGS via Zoom from Halifax, Nova Scotia, where he was on the road as part of his headlining Summer Vacation Tour.

BGS: This is your third album in less than three years. I imagine it’s been a breakneck few years for you. How are you feeling at this moment, with the release of this new project?

McNown: Oh, gosh. I gotta say, I’m tired. I’ve been playing a lot of shows, writing a lot of music, and just kind of going nonstop for those three years, and it’s gotten me where I am, and so I’m extremely grateful, and I don’t plan on taking the foot off the gas pedal anytime soon, but yeah, it’s weird. I don’t know what time zone I’m in half the time in my life, but I am very excited about the project, and I’m very excited about the songs finally being out and seeing the light of day because I put a lot of heart into it.

I wrote about 45 songs. We had a really difficult time – well, I had a really difficult time choosing which of the songs were gonna end up making it onto the project, which is something that’s a little different about this one. The other two albums were so “go, go, go” that we wrote just a couple extra songs other than the ones that were on the album. And now, I felt like I’d grown as a songwriter and I had grown as a musician in general with the amount of shows I’ve played, I felt like I could write more than before and really hone in on what I wanted to say with the album.

Talk a little bit about the shaping of this 17-song tracklist and the themes you’re exploring over the course of this project.

Yeah, so just about every single song on the record, in some way, is an expression of gratitude for the people that are caring about me, beneath the music. I think it’s natural when I’ve been going so hard for so long that it’s the thing that I’m most grateful for and I want to focus on, is the people that haven’t changed the way they view me and haven’t changed the way they treat me. You know, my parents, my siblings – there’s a song for my little sister, Selah – and of course my wife and my crew.

The song on the record, “Greatest Audience of All” – that’s talking about the people that were there at the very beginning when I was just sitting around a fire playing music for them. Each song is a bit of its own thank-you to those people in my life that keep the light on while I’m away, whether that’s mentally or physically gone. That’s where the album title comes from too, which is pulled from the pre-chorus of the song, “Slow Down, Slow Down.”

Leave on a Light certainly feels appropriate as the album title, because many of these songs seem to radiate this sense of warmth, optimism and light. Can you talk about that infusion of those attitudes in this music?

Yeah, I don’t know if that is intentional or not, honestly. I guess I’ll find out the more songs I write. I had somebody tell me a while back that one of the reasons that they enjoy my music, specifically, is because even in the songs that are about heavier topics or sadder things, there’s always an underlying sense of hope and I think that comes from just how I was raised and my faith and my family and what makes me, me.

So I don’t know if that’ll change from album to album. But I think that that sense of warmth is just something that found its way in. I hope that it’s because it’s in my heart, you know? When I’m writing a song, I’m not really trying to think about that warmth and that light, I’m just trying to write from who I am, and I think that’s the best thing you can do to kind of stand out, is to lean into the things that make you, you.

The Pacific Northwest seems to have really influenced your songwriting and the type of music you make. Having grown up there, how do you feel like it has impacted you musically?

Yeah, I mean, when I was growing up in Oregon, and especially after high school, when I was spending time in Bend – and during COVID, back in West Linn – I was constantly hiking, I was constantly camping, I was constantly trying to find viewpoints and just explore nature’s beauty, because there’s so much of it out there.

And in high school and especially middle school, I kind of fell in love with straightforward pop music. And as I got older and as I started to put myself in those creation environments, the music that fit most was folk music. It was that “granola,” you know, the music that feels like the forest. I would say for me, that was Sam Burchfield, Gregory Alan Isakov, Rayland Baxter…a lot of that kind of folk-roots music. I ended up listening to pretty much just that. And I would say still to this day, that’s my personal favorite music.

Some of those similar nature sentiments seem reflected in the song, “Same, Same Sun” – how did writing this one come about?

That song was designed to feel like the forest. We were talking about Glacier National Park, we were talking about Yellowstone, we were talking about the Northern California Redwoods and the “Forever Ain’t Long Enough” music video that we just shot there and everything I had experienced there. We were all telling our stories, [songwriters] Scott Harris and Jamie Kinney and I.

Jamie was talking about what his trip to Montana meant to him, and how it made him feel small, and made him appreciate the life that he has because it’s so rare. It’s such a low chance of happening with how big this universe is. And so we set out to write a song that captured those feelings that we were all talking about. And at the end of the day, I think the primary takeaway of that song is I hope that people feel a sense that everything will be okay.

You know, that was a concept straight from my Notes page, “the same sun is shining on me.” Like, the exact same sun that every single human in the history of our Earth has seen and experienced in all of their lives that have come and passed, under that same sun, it kind of makes you realize that there’s some sort of bigger plan, and it’s gonna be okay at the end of the day. And I wrote it with that intention.

Once we got to its completion, I remember a few days later, I was driving to another write, and I was so tired. And I was listening to the rough mixes from the last few weeks, and “Same, Same Sun” came on, and I can’t really explain it, but there was an overwhelming sense of peace that I felt. And when my own songs – because I actually don’t love listening to my own voice still. It’s a little difficult for me. And so when one of my own songs evokes an emotion like that, it’s a sign to me that it’s something that needs to come out and see the light of day.

You started playing guitar just a few years ago, when you were 21. You’re 25 now, so it seems like you must be a pretty quick learner. Are there other instruments you are interested in learning to play or ways you’d like to continue expanding musically?

I’d like to get better at harmonica. I know the very basics of harmonica, you know, I play it each night on stage, but it’s pretty simple playing that I do, and I’d like to get a little better.

I would also really love to improve on guitar. People hear that I taught myself guitar at 21, and they’re like, “Oh, he must be really good now.” It’s been four years. And I’m like, “No, I pretty much just play rhythm on stage, and I capo and play some easy chords.” I really want to progress in that and grow so that I can start playing electric and actually playing some important parts of my songs that, you know, studio musicians would play, on stage. And so that’s something, that’s a 2027 thing that I’ve actually been talking to my bandleader about. I’m gonna try to get in one or two guitar lessons a week to really try to hone in on my guitar skills.

You’ve spoken about how some words your grandfather shared with you have really become an important reminder for you as you navigate this career: “Providence is the hand of God in the glove of circumstances.” How are you reminding yourself of those words as you go throughout your life? How would you encourage someone who wants to incorporate that way of thinking into their own lives?

Keep your eyes open. I feel like with the amount of technology we have and the doom scrolling capabilities, and especially with AI’s advancements, I feel like we’re getting further and further away from observation. We’re getting further and further away from being in moments and not thinking about other things. You know, every time you open your phone, you’re thinking about something else that pops up on your screen. I think just being present and seeking out coincidences that seem a little too insane to be coincidences, that’s where I see God personally in my life, and I think that it’s really easy to miss. It’s really easy to miss if you’re distracted, and there’s so much distraction in our world.

I think that’s one of the reasons I love nature, too. I love just not having those distractions, and being so present in this place, right exactly where you are right now, and looking around you, and observing, and thinking, and putting yourself in those places where you can fully take in the greatness of this world that we’re in. I think that’ll give you gratitude. And I think gratitude is the greatest combat to anxiety. And so the more gratitude you can try to search and feel, the better you’re going to feel mentally.


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The Other 22 Hours: Buddy Miller

If you don’t know Buddy Miller by name, you probably know his work. He joined Emmylou Harris’s band in the mid-1990s, has worked with artists from Robert Plant to Patty Griffin, is a Grammy winner and a multiple-time Instrumentalist of the Year with the Americana Music Association, and served as an executive music producer for the television series Nashville. Yet the collaboration he returns to most is the one at home. Buddy and his wife, Julie Miller, have made music together for more than forty years, through bankruptcy, a van full of gear, and the point where the road became too hard on her. In this open conversation, Buddy reflects on the pull between producer and partner, his honesty about where he fell short, and the record they made in the corner of their bedroom with red lights glowing in the dark. “We survived,” he says. “We came out different.”

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The Other 22 Hours: Dan Wilson (Semisonic)

Dan Wilson’s songs have shaped our collective cultural landscape, from Semisonic’s enduring anthem “Closing Time” to Grammy-winning collaborations like Adele’s “Someone Like You,” The Chicks’ “Not Ready to Make Nice,” Chris Stapleton’s “White Horse” and Jon Batiste’s “It Never Went Away.” Yet behind four decades of catalog mastery lies a quiet, rigorous inner examination of what it means to build an artistic life.

In this spacious conversation, Dan reflects on stepping off the tour bus during the height of rock success to care for his medically fragile newborn daughter, the radical freedom of striking the word “should” entirely from one’s creative vocabulary, and why he spent the entire ascent of a global number-one single terrified instead of celebrating.

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.


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The Working Songwriter: John Moreland (Live Episode)

Recorded live at the Old Town School of Folk Music in Chicago at the Working Songwriter Forum, our guest is beloved songwriter John Moreland. TWS Forum is an annual event that the podcast hosts in June. Listeners take in concerts by the headlining artists and then attend workshops from them during the day. This was the second annual event. The headliners and dates for next year’s Forum will be announced this month.

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