Bryan Sutton Continues the Conversation in New Guitar Duets Album

A summer conversation with Bryan Sutton finds the musician roughly twenty years after the release of his first record of guitar duets, Not Too Far From the Tree, which featured musicians he considered both friends and heroes—folks like Norman Blake, Doc Watson, Tony Rice, George Shuffler, and Earl Scruggs.

In this interview, we revisit those days when he’d drive around the South to meet these musical legends at their homes—often with his dad in tow—sharing meals and setting up a rack-mounted ADAT digital mobile recording unit, not unlike the early years of country music where field scouts and song collectors alike would visit fields, hollers and cities in search of material. We also explore how he parlayed that same work ethic into his newest collection of duo material, which pairs archival tracks with brand-new performances, offering snapshots with singular musicians in a relaxed setting, presenting their playing down to the core of their stylistic identities.

It is no news that Sutton has built a formidable reputation since moving to Nashville from North Carolina in the early ‘90s. Since then he’s navigated seamlessly between Top 40 country sessions, cutting-edge bluegrass bands, teaching, and recording his own solo albums. On From Roots to Branches Vol. 1 (released via Mountain Home Music Company), Sutton subtly shifts the focus from older generations to his peers and younger musicians, while continuing the conversation he began in 2006 to modestly present the music he loves best.

The track list includes unexpected contributions from guitarists like Joe Bonamassa (“Blue Night”) and Tommy Emmanuel (“Don’t Let Your Deal Go Down”), alongside bluegrass mainstays such as Billy Strings (“The Devil Went Down to Deep Gap”), Sierra Hull (“Grandfather’s Clock”), Kenny Smith (“Three Star Hornpipe”), Jake Stargel (“Crazy Creek”) and others. In his own words, this record presents “musical guitar conversations” that are both archival and representative of his collaborators’ creative voices: “We’re all in a room together. Being in the moment with whoever it is, wherever it is, and not letting the gear and recording tech get in the way.”

BGS: I’m curious how this record came together—whether you were looking for specific material and filling holes as you went along, or if folks came to you with tunes they wanted to play.

Sutton: The spirit of what I tried to maintain from the first one is, at its heart, the guitar duet concept—being way more conversational musically. A lot of times back then and now, not 100 percent of the time, but enough times, we show up not sure what we want to record. It’s kind of like a jam in that way, real organic, because I didn’t want to overthink it producer-wise. Sometimes I needed to, but as much as I could, I just tried to say, “This is what we would do in a jam. What’s a tune you like? Let’s just play it.”

That’s really what I wanted it to be: collecting musical guitar conversations. The big question was where we stop, because it could just go on forever and ever. And that’s a cool thing. I like knowing that I could keep doing this kind of thing. That was sort of the spirit of all those things coming together. I had these tunes from Doc and Tony left over that I thought could connect the whole bigger guitar duet thing—that project mindset, being able to release stuff from the first batch with some new songs. That was the focus going in.

Then it was just trying to call people up and ask, “When are you coming through town? Are you going to have a day here?” A lot of it was between Thanksgiving and Christmas, around those winter months when people aren’t traveling, and just random times. I did nearly all of it at my house in the home studio so I could tear down and set up quickly, and folks were willing to drive there.

Most of it was cut in the same room with the same mics, which was another concept from the first one in my little rig. Joe Bonamassa and I recorded ours at Curb Studio in Nashville, and I did one with Brad Paisley down at his house. Even though I was in a lot of different places, from North Carolina to Colorado and here (in Nashville), I used the same mics and gear. So, I was able to preserve as much of that as possible, too.

Where were those initial sessions recorded—specifically the ones with Doc, Norman, and Tony? I assume the tracks with Doc and Tony on the new record were captured in the same location as the first record.

The Doc tunes were recorded in a hotel room at the Radisson in Longmont, Colorado, probably late July 2005. Tony met me at the Crossroads studio in Asheville, North Carolina, for his. And Norman—I drove to his house down in Rising Fawn, Georgia. So yeah, I had a little rack-mounted rig and a box of mics, and we’d set up, push play, record, and get what we got.

When I first came across that record, I didn’t consider the idea of you doing it in a mobile way.

Yeah. Well, again, I was thinking about Tony Rice, Earl Scruggs, and Doc Watson: “Can you come to Nashville? Can you totally arrange your life around coming to record one song with me?”

And then you get to hear them in their natural environments, or in the case of Tony, somewhere he probably worked a lot.

Right. That was the cool part. I went to Norman’s house, George Shuffler’s house, and Jack Lawrence’s house. That was great. I don’t know that I was that intentional on that front, other than feeling like I didn’t want to make these people drive anywhere.

Where was George Shuffler, just out of curiosity?

Valdese, North Carolina. It was great. His wife had made a cake. There are a few other songs from that batch that are still unreleased—maybe we’ll put them out in some other format. I always loved George. He was always really kind to me, gregarious, wanted to hug you, and called everybody “honey.” I loved it. Again, that was a neat thing: I had my dad with me driving around. We did that on the same day—drove around Asheville, then to Valdese, and then down around Charlotte to get Jack Lawrence at his house. So, it was a neat little trip to get all this stuff. In the old days, for sure.

I loved George. I remember asking him – because again, I had no idea what we would record until we got in there – “What was the first song you played? What’s your favorite song?” I think it was “A Little Rosewood Casket” or something like that, and he started tearing up when he was playing.

Since you made those first recordings, has your concept of the duo shifted in any way? Perhaps a renewed perspective?

Honestly, not a renewed perspective, but a continued love of it. The duo setting, either on stage or off, has represented some of the deeper musical moments for me. It is more intimate, and you hear more of everything. Especially with guitar, where you have a wide range sonically and volume-wise, you feel like you don’t need much more. Part of that perspective has always been the commitment to it: not saying “this is reduced or minimalistic compared to a bigger production,” but rather “these are two really capable musicians playing capable instruments and owning it.”

That’s the power of old brother duets—maximizing the setting. There’s magic within a trio sharing the workload, too, but the duo is the perfect little balance. I’m a Libra, so maybe that shows up (laughs). A lot of times I feel like I play more authentically in a duo. In a band, I feel like I have to spread myself thinner. I really relish the opportunity to fully support somebody and feel fully supported trading solos or looking at each other and singing.

One thing I have always appreciated about your guitar playing is your ability to orchestrate in a way where the listener knows what’s next and things are demarcated clearly, whether through ornaments, rhythmic emphasis, or improvisation as a facet of form. All of that is represented on this project in spades. I’m wondering if there are recordings or experiences that got you thinking that way.

From early days with Ricky Skaggs’ band, making records with him… he came out of that Brian Ahern, West Coast country ’70s style with a lot of emphasis on the orchestration of acoustic guitars. We still do this in sessions today: orchestrating sections with two different guitars where one comes and goes, a higher guitar plays along with a lower guitar in a louder section or transitioning into an arpeggiated part versus a big strum. It speaks to dynamic orchestration and arranging awareness. What is the emotional impact the listener feels because of this extra stuff coming in, or because we stripped everything down to help the emotion of the song?

Jerry Douglas was the first person I heard use the term “song shape.” The idea is that you can see a song building and growing from beginning to end like a first act, second act, and third act. Those things developed through experience, paying attention, and learning as I went. Session work is about crafting a performance and its arcs—the transition from a verse to a chorus, setting up the next move, and knowing when to empty out space or lay out. It’s a bit of maturity that’s been part of my learning. I want to keep getting better at it.

For you, what’s the balance between having a distinct voice in a given tradition, then sublimating it to make others sound like themselves, such as in studio sessions?

That’s a good question. I had an opportunity early on to be a bluegrass guitar player around Ricky Skaggs, Hot Rize, Jerry Douglas, and Béla Fleck. That music was part of my core. If you heard me at 14, certain things in the pocket, tone, or inside awareness would still connect to how I play today. But part of me has a “both things can be true” mentality. I can play sessions, write, sing, tour with Béla Fleck, or make solo records. I love listening to rock music, traditional country, or Ray Edenton’s rhythm guitar on a Loretta Lynn record. If someone is curious about that path, you’re agreeing to be all things—going from playing on a Top 40 country record to making an acoustic duet record.

I like moving around. I don’t want to be in the same band forever or do the same thing forever. Playing non-bluegrass music informs what I do in bluegrass, especially rhythmically with different drummers. There was an era in Nashville where touring could kill your session career because people assumed you were always on the road. When I was weighing doing live gigs versus sessions, producer Paul Worley told me: “You’re only as creative in here as you go out there and fill yourself up to be.” That was a great perspective on maintaining balance.

In the present, with you teaching more recently, I’m curious if there is anything that is particularly exciting for you.

After years of pursuing a career, I’m trying to slow down, take more time for myself, tour less, and pay attention to things that truly matter. I’m doing things I wouldn’t have thought I’d be doing 20 years ago—teaching online, running camps, and asking what needs to define me as a human on this planet. But yeah, just trying to be a little more reflective, a little more intentional, a little more healthfully detached from musical things—maybe it’s not all about D-28s and G-runs (laughs).


Photo Credit: Ali Hasbach

Junior Sisk Hitches His Wagon to the Stars of Traditional Bluegrass

Junior Sisk is on a mission. Although he’s been a fan of traditional bluegrass since childhood, he’s now fully focused on keeping that history alive. That passion for tradition is evident in Load the Wagon, the award-winning vocalist’s first release since disbanding Ramblers Choice.

“The Stanley Brothers, Flatt & Scruggs, Jim & Jesse, and all of them had big hits, but they also had hidden treasures on all those LPs. A lot of them that were never played and they’re not a jam tune. That’s what I’m looking for,” Sisk says. “It’s going to be like new tunes to a lot of folks. That’s what I’m after – to still pay tribute to the founding fathers of traditional bluegrass music, but in the Junior Sisk style.”

The Virginia musician’s recovery mission has unearthed a number of gems on Load the Wagon, like Flatt & Scruggs’ little-known “Lonesome and Blue” and the heartfelt “Lover’s Farewell,” a Carter Family gem suggested by his new bandmates Heather Berry-Mabe (guitar, vocals) and Tony Mabe (banjo, guitar, vocals). Jonathan Dillon (his mandolin player from Ramblers Choice), Gary Creed (bass, vocals), and Douglas Bartlett (fiddle, vocals) round out the lineup.

Sisk also re-cut the song that remains his most requested number, “He Died a Rounder at 21,” from his time with Wyatt Rice & Santa Cruz in the mid-‘90s. Leading up to a show at Station Inn, he invited BGS on the bus for a chat.

BGS: The first song on this album, “Get in Line, Buddy,” will be a familiar tune for fans of the Country Gentlemen. What made you want to record it here?

Sisk: Me and Bill Yates got to be good friends there for a long time right toward the end, and every time we’d play together at a festival, I’d always get together with him and ask him to do “Living on the Hallelujah Side” that he’d done with the Country Gentlemen, and this one right here — “Get in Line, Buddy.” Those are a couple that he sang solo on. It was just great, great singing.

It’s like what I’m trying to do right now. I’m in line with Flatt & Scruggs, the Stanley Brothers, and all that. I’m way down the line, but I’m in line anyway. And it still rings true today when you come to Nashville. When you walk the streets, you see them on the streets. You see them in all the clubs and everything. Everyone’s standing in line. I feel like I’m still standing in line for traditional bluegrass music.

With “Get in Line, Buddy” and “Best Female Actress,” there’s a sad story there, but you find a way to put humor into those songs. It’s not an easy thing to pull off. How do you approach that?

Well, when I go into the studio and start to record, I’ve always done a lot of tongue-in-cheek songs. I’m noted for that, but I sing with a lot of emotion. I sing with a lot of feelings. That’s why a lot of times I’ll lose my voice, to tell you the truth, because I’m singing so hard and with as much feeling as I can.

I love to look out in the crowd and see them either crying, if I’m singing a pitiful song, and if I’m singing a tongue-in-cheek song, I like to see them laugh and carry on. It just makes for a good show, I think. And Charlie Moore has been one of my favorites. He’s one of the most underrated bluegrass artists ever. He’s a great singer.

You also have some songs on here, like “Just Load the Wagon,” which are plain-and-simple funny. I’m curious, where did you get your sense of humor? Was there someone in your family where you picked that up?

Yeah, my dad. He’s a songwriter. He’s probably got a thousand songs at the house for me to choose from. But every song he writes, at the top of the page he writes the date he wrote it, and he writes, “Sing in the key of D and sing like Carter Stanley.” [Laughs] I said, “Dad, you can’t sing ‘em all like Carter Stanley and they can’t all be in D!” But if he had his druthers, that’s what it would be. That’s pretty much me, too. I was raised, born and bred, on the Stanley Brothers’ music.

This one here, I thought the folks would really enjoy, and now that I’ve gotten rid of the Rambler’s Choice name and went to the Junior Sisk Band, I’m trying to pay tribute to traditional bluegrass music, so we brought back the old-style banjo, the mountain-style banjo-playing with the clawhammer on this one. And it’s turning out to be one of my favorite tunes that we’re playing now. It’s a lot of fun and the crowd can react to it. It’s a toe-tapping tune.

You mentioned that the Ramblers Choice name is gone. Why was that an important move for you to shift to Junior Sisk Band?

Well, Jason Davis, Kameron Keller, and a couple of guys left. My dad always says when wintertime comes around and things start getting slow, somebody blows a whistle and everybody switches. It’s pretty much like that. If you don’t have any work, I’m going where the work is. But I was actually straying away from my heart – I was straying away from traditional bluegrass music a little bit. I just did not want to do that. I finally came to the conclusion that what I’m going to do until the end of my career is pay tribute to traditional bluegrass music, and try to keep it alive as long as I can. That’s what we’re trying to do today, is keep it straight-ahead bluegrass, right in the middle of the road, and turn the younger fans onto traditional bluegrass music.

Why is it important for you to carry that torch for traditional bluegrass?

I’m just tickled to death to see the young’uns out here today that come to our shows, or to see them out jamming at festivals and playing the old-style music. You don’t see that a lot anymore. It seems that the younger generations is trying to play every note they know. …When I hear somebody with real emotion, and real feeling, who’s a traditional young’un coming up, I love it. Because we’ve lost so many — Ralph Stanley, James King, and a lot of traditional artists here lately. I think I’m a torch holder and that’s what I hope to be until the end of my career. As long as I’m able to breathe and sing, I’m going to keep their music alive.

It hurt to lose James King, didn’t it?

Oh, it was hard. I was there holding his hand on the day he died, in the hospital. I was on one side and Dudley Connell was on the other. And we told him we would keep his music alive. I’m getting chills now, but it meant the world to me, just to be there. He was a torch holder as well.

You re-recorded “He Died a Rounder at 21” from your days with Wyatt Rice & Santa Cruz. What’s it like to sing about that guy now, 24 years later? Does it bring out a different emotion in the song for you?

It’s still the same. The story in that song is awesome. I’ve grown up with a lot of folks in the bluegrass industry and I’ve seen a lot of ‘em pass away from alcoholism and just the hard life, the bluegrass life. People around home say, “Wow, you’ve got it made. You go on stage and play 45 minutes…” They don’t know about the 15 hours you travel to get there. It’s a hard life. You don’t eat right. You don’t take care of yourself. And I can understand where this guy came from. He only lived 21 years – but 21 years was like a thousand years in his time. I understand that, and that’s why I put everything I got in that song. Because it rings true.

Was there a pivotal moment for you when you decided to go into bluegrass full-time?

In my early teens, I lived and breathed it. I sat at the end of the bed in my mom and dad’s room with an old LP player and played Dave Evans, Larry Sparks, the Stanley Brothers, just trying to learn everything George Shuffler ever did on guitar. I was in it hot and heavy, and eat up with it.

In the early ‘80s, I moved up around the DC area and that’s when the Johnson Mountain Boys came on the scene. I followed them everywhere they went. They brought me back to life, and still today if I get to feeling sad, or get down about the music, I can put a Johnson Mountain Boys DVD in, and it will bring me right back. There was so much excitement and energy, they just tore me all to pieces. That’s what it’s all about.


Photo credit: Susie Neel