Bryan Sutton Continues the Conversation in New Guitar Duets Album

A summer conversation with Bryan Sutton finds the musician roughly twenty years after the release of his first record of guitar duets, Not Too Far From the Tree, which featured musicians he considered both friends and heroes—folks like Norman Blake, Doc Watson, Tony Rice, George Shuffler, and Earl Scruggs.

In this interview, we revisit those days when he’d drive around the South to meet these musical legends at their homes—often with his dad in tow—sharing meals and setting up a rack-mounted ADAT digital mobile recording unit, not unlike the early years of country music where field scouts and song collectors alike would visit fields, hollers and cities in search of material. We also explore how he parlayed that same work ethic into his newest collection of duo material, which pairs archival tracks with brand-new performances, offering snapshots with singular musicians in a relaxed setting, presenting their playing down to the core of their stylistic identities.

It is no news that Sutton has built a formidable reputation since moving to Nashville from North Carolina in the early ‘90s. Since then he’s navigated seamlessly between Top 40 country sessions, cutting-edge bluegrass bands, teaching, and recording his own solo albums. On From Roots to Branches Vol. 1 (released via Mountain Home Music Company), Sutton subtly shifts the focus from older generations to his peers and younger musicians, while continuing the conversation he began in 2006 to modestly present the music he loves best.

The track list includes unexpected contributions from guitarists like Joe Bonamassa (“Blue Night”) and Tommy Emmanuel (“Don’t Let Your Deal Go Down”), alongside bluegrass mainstays such as Billy Strings (“The Devil Went Down to Deep Gap”), Sierra Hull (“Grandfather’s Clock”), Kenny Smith (“Three Star Hornpipe”), Jake Stargel (“Crazy Creek”) and others. In his own words, this record presents “musical guitar conversations” that are both archival and representative of his collaborators’ creative voices: “We’re all in a room together. Being in the moment with whoever it is, wherever it is, and not letting the gear and recording tech get in the way.”

BGS: I’m curious how this record came together—whether you were looking for specific material and filling holes as you went along, or if folks came to you with tunes they wanted to play.

Sutton: The spirit of what I tried to maintain from the first one is, at its heart, the guitar duet concept—being way more conversational musically. A lot of times back then and now, not 100 percent of the time, but enough times, we show up not sure what we want to record. It’s kind of like a jam in that way, real organic, because I didn’t want to overthink it producer-wise. Sometimes I needed to, but as much as I could, I just tried to say, “This is what we would do in a jam. What’s a tune you like? Let’s just play it.”

That’s really what I wanted it to be: collecting musical guitar conversations. The big question was where we stop, because it could just go on forever and ever. And that’s a cool thing. I like knowing that I could keep doing this kind of thing. That was sort of the spirit of all those things coming together. I had these tunes from Doc and Tony left over that I thought could connect the whole bigger guitar duet thing—that project mindset, being able to release stuff from the first batch with some new songs. That was the focus going in.

Then it was just trying to call people up and ask, “When are you coming through town? Are you going to have a day here?” A lot of it was between Thanksgiving and Christmas, around those winter months when people aren’t traveling, and just random times. I did nearly all of it at my house in the home studio so I could tear down and set up quickly, and folks were willing to drive there.

Most of it was cut in the same room with the same mics, which was another concept from the first one in my little rig. Joe Bonamassa and I recorded ours at Curb Studio in Nashville, and I did one with Brad Paisley down at his house. Even though I was in a lot of different places, from North Carolina to Colorado and here (in Nashville), I used the same mics and gear. So, I was able to preserve as much of that as possible, too.

Where were those initial sessions recorded—specifically the ones with Doc, Norman, and Tony? I assume the tracks with Doc and Tony on the new record were captured in the same location as the first record.

The Doc tunes were recorded in a hotel room at the Radisson in Longmont, Colorado, probably late July 2005. Tony met me at the Crossroads studio in Asheville, North Carolina, for his. And Norman—I drove to his house down in Rising Fawn, Georgia. So yeah, I had a little rack-mounted rig and a box of mics, and we’d set up, push play, record, and get what we got.

When I first came across that record, I didn’t consider the idea of you doing it in a mobile way.

Yeah. Well, again, I was thinking about Tony Rice, Earl Scruggs, and Doc Watson: “Can you come to Nashville? Can you totally arrange your life around coming to record one song with me?”

And then you get to hear them in their natural environments, or in the case of Tony, somewhere he probably worked a lot.

Right. That was the cool part. I went to Norman’s house, George Shuffler’s house, and Jack Lawrence’s house. That was great. I don’t know that I was that intentional on that front, other than feeling like I didn’t want to make these people drive anywhere.

Where was George Shuffler, just out of curiosity?

Valdese, North Carolina. It was great. His wife had made a cake. There are a few other songs from that batch that are still unreleased—maybe we’ll put them out in some other format. I always loved George. He was always really kind to me, gregarious, wanted to hug you, and called everybody “honey.” I loved it. Again, that was a neat thing: I had my dad with me driving around. We did that on the same day—drove around Asheville, then to Valdese, and then down around Charlotte to get Jack Lawrence at his house. So, it was a neat little trip to get all this stuff. In the old days, for sure.

I loved George. I remember asking him – because again, I had no idea what we would record until we got in there – “What was the first song you played? What’s your favorite song?” I think it was “A Little Rosewood Casket” or something like that, and he started tearing up when he was playing.

Since you made those first recordings, has your concept of the duo shifted in any way? Perhaps a renewed perspective?

Honestly, not a renewed perspective, but a continued love of it. The duo setting, either on stage or off, has represented some of the deeper musical moments for me. It is more intimate, and you hear more of everything. Especially with guitar, where you have a wide range sonically and volume-wise, you feel like you don’t need much more. Part of that perspective has always been the commitment to it: not saying “this is reduced or minimalistic compared to a bigger production,” but rather “these are two really capable musicians playing capable instruments and owning it.”

That’s the power of old brother duets—maximizing the setting. There’s magic within a trio sharing the workload, too, but the duo is the perfect little balance. I’m a Libra, so maybe that shows up (laughs). A lot of times I feel like I play more authentically in a duo. In a band, I feel like I have to spread myself thinner. I really relish the opportunity to fully support somebody and feel fully supported trading solos or looking at each other and singing.

One thing I have always appreciated about your guitar playing is your ability to orchestrate in a way where the listener knows what’s next and things are demarcated clearly, whether through ornaments, rhythmic emphasis, or improvisation as a facet of form. All of that is represented on this project in spades. I’m wondering if there are recordings or experiences that got you thinking that way.

From early days with Ricky Skaggs’ band, making records with him… he came out of that Brian Ahern, West Coast country ’70s style with a lot of emphasis on the orchestration of acoustic guitars. We still do this in sessions today: orchestrating sections with two different guitars where one comes and goes, a higher guitar plays along with a lower guitar in a louder section or transitioning into an arpeggiated part versus a big strum. It speaks to dynamic orchestration and arranging awareness. What is the emotional impact the listener feels because of this extra stuff coming in, or because we stripped everything down to help the emotion of the song?

Jerry Douglas was the first person I heard use the term “song shape.” The idea is that you can see a song building and growing from beginning to end like a first act, second act, and third act. Those things developed through experience, paying attention, and learning as I went. Session work is about crafting a performance and its arcs—the transition from a verse to a chorus, setting up the next move, and knowing when to empty out space or lay out. It’s a bit of maturity that’s been part of my learning. I want to keep getting better at it.

For you, what’s the balance between having a distinct voice in a given tradition, then sublimating it to make others sound like themselves, such as in studio sessions?

That’s a good question. I had an opportunity early on to be a bluegrass guitar player around Ricky Skaggs, Hot Rize, Jerry Douglas, and Béla Fleck. That music was part of my core. If you heard me at 14, certain things in the pocket, tone, or inside awareness would still connect to how I play today. But part of me has a “both things can be true” mentality. I can play sessions, write, sing, tour with Béla Fleck, or make solo records. I love listening to rock music, traditional country, or Ray Edenton’s rhythm guitar on a Loretta Lynn record. If someone is curious about that path, you’re agreeing to be all things—going from playing on a Top 40 country record to making an acoustic duet record.

I like moving around. I don’t want to be in the same band forever or do the same thing forever. Playing non-bluegrass music informs what I do in bluegrass, especially rhythmically with different drummers. There was an era in Nashville where touring could kill your session career because people assumed you were always on the road. When I was weighing doing live gigs versus sessions, producer Paul Worley told me: “You’re only as creative in here as you go out there and fill yourself up to be.” That was a great perspective on maintaining balance.

In the present, with you teaching more recently, I’m curious if there is anything that is particularly exciting for you.

After years of pursuing a career, I’m trying to slow down, take more time for myself, tour less, and pay attention to things that truly matter. I’m doing things I wouldn’t have thought I’d be doing 20 years ago—teaching online, running camps, and asking what needs to define me as a human on this planet. But yeah, just trying to be a little more reflective, a little more intentional, a little more healthfully detached from musical things—maybe it’s not all about D-28s and G-runs (laughs).


Photo Credit: Ali Hasbach

You Gotta Hear This: New Music From Brit Taylor, Trey Hensley, and More

Happy Friday! We have new music for you to enjoy and, as always, You Gotta Hear This.

To start us off, Chicago Farmer (singer-songwriter Cody Diekhoff), shares a nostalgic and stripped-down country song, “The Twenty Dollar Bill,” that pays tribute to his grandparents and the “family roots” that he takes with him wherever he goes. The track is from his brand new album, Homeaid, which is out today. Kentuckian country singer, songwriter, and artist Brit Taylor has a new album today as well, Land of the Forgotten. To celebrate, we’re sharing “Done Pretending,” a song from the project co-written by Taylor, Adam Wright, and Jon Decious that decries relationships that are all “take” and no “give.”

There’s plenty of excellent guitar picking included here, too. Bryan Sutton returns to the roundup, this time with blues guitarist Joe Bonamassa in tow. The pair duet on Bill Monroe’s “Blue Night,” acoustic and electric guitars in shred-tastic dialogue on the classic number. The track comes from Sutton’s upcoming duets album, From Roots to Branches. Then, bluegrass and Americana flatpicker Trey Hensley calls on his friend and fellow guitarist Molly Tuttle for his new single, “Going and Gone.” Hensley penned the song with Bobby Starnes and features the bluesy, breakneck picking for which he has become known.

To wrap up, we have a new music video featuring lush and groovin’ Americana from YARN, a genre blurring-and-blending outfit that has been performing and recording for more than 20 years. For a song considering existence, fate, and the rat race at large, “Might as Well Be King” has an exquisite, gritty vibe – an excellent harbinger for the group’s new album, Saturday Night Sermon, arriving in April.

Whether your tastes lean towards bluegrass, blues, country, or Americana – You Gotta Hear This!

Chicago Farmer, “The Twenty Dollar Bill”

Artist: Chicago Farmer
Hometown: Delavan, Illinois
Song: “The Twenty Dollar Bill”
Album: Homeaid
Release Date: March 6, 2026
Label: LoHi Records

In Their Words: “When I was in high school my grandma started giving me a $5 bill to keep in my shoe for emergencies. When I told her I was going to be a musician she upped it to a $10. When I told her I was moving to Chicago she said, ‘You’re going to need a $20.’

“My grandfather lived pretty much his whole life in the same farmhouse that he grew up in. He was a storyteller from a small town and sharp as a tack. Grandma was a city girl, she grew in Peoria, Illinois. The home of Richard Pryor. She rode the city bus and had street smarts. Together, there wasn’t much they didn’t know or couldn’t fix or remedy. Grandpa passed away a few years ago just shy of 102. Grandma will be 98 this summer. They’re farmers, they’re veterans, and they’re my family roots that I take with me wherever I go. In song and in my heart. This song is for them.” – Cody Diekhoff, Chicago Farmer


Trey Hensley, “Going and Gone” Featuring Molly Tuttle

Artist: Trey Hensley
Hometown: Jonesborough, Tennessee
Song: “Going and Gone” featuring Molly Tuttle
Album: Can’t Outrun The Blues
Release Date: March 6, 2026 (album)
Label: Pinecastle Records

In Their Words: “I wrote ‘Going and Gone’ with Bobby Starnes the same day that he and I wrote ‘Can’t Outrun the Blues.’ And I immediately loved both of those songs. It’s one of those story songs that just falls together and paints a picture without spelling out every detail. ‘Going and Gone’ was the first song we recorded for the project – and I was thrilled to get my friend and one of my favorite guitar players and singer-songwriters, Molly Tuttle, to join in on guitar and vocals. We had a blast getting to work together in the studio and I think that comes through in the final recording!” – Trey Hensley


Bryan Sutton, “Blue Night” with Joe Bonamassa

Artist: Bryan Sutton
Hometown: Nashville, Tennessee
Song: “Blue Night” with Joe Bonamassa
Album: From Roots to Branches
Release Date: March 6, 2026 (single)
Label: Mountain Home Music Company

In Their Words: “I couldn’t be more thrilled to have Joe Bonamassa on this duets project. I’ve been a fan of his for a long time. I wasn’t sure what he would play when we cut this song, because all of this was acoustic. I love that he played electric guitar. I love the fact that it’s a different kind of song for this record and being able to interpret an old Bill Monroe song like this was just really, really fun.” – Bryan Sutton

Track Credits:
Bryan Sutton – Acoustic guitar, vocal
Joe Bonamassa – Electric guitar


Brit Taylor, “Done Pretending”

Artist: Brit Taylor
Hometown: Hindman, Kentucky
Song: “Done Pretending”
Album: Land of the Forgotten
Release Date: March 6, 2026
Label: RidgeTone Records, distributed by Thirty Tigers

In Their Words: “I wrote this tune with Adam Wright and Jon Decious – two of the most clever humans I know.

“I don’t know if other women have ever felt this way, but I have been in more than a few relationships that were a whole lot of take and basically no give. Then I realized that once you’ve given all you can give and done all you can do, you reach a point where there’s nothing left. No sadness, no anger, no regret – you are just done. That’s where the character is at in this song. She’s basically emotionless about it. She’s just done and she’s at peace with it.” – Brit Taylor


YARN, “Might As Well Be King”

Artist: YARN
Hometown: New York City, New York
Song: “Might As Well Be King”
Album: Saturday Night Sermon
Release Date: March 6, 2026 (single); April 24, 2026 (album)
Label: 333 Entertainment

In Their Words: “Let the good times roll. We don’t know why we’re here or how any of this existence even works. Is it all fated? Is it all free will? So many folks in competition with each other fighting over some made up ‘green god,’ because they’re taught that is the way. But, it’s entirely up to us as individuals to define our own way. Nothing is law, there are no rules, this is whatever we make it. So the point of this song is nothing more than, don’t put too much stock in these ridiculous systems we’ve created. Have fun being human, embrace your human form and being able to do whatever you want with it; it doesn’t last long.” – Blake Christiana

Track Credits:
Blake Christiana – Lead vocals, guitar
Andy Thomas – Lead guitar, backing vocals
Rick Bugel – Bass
Robert Bonhomme – Drums
Damian Calcagne – Hammond B3


Photo Credit: Brit Taylor by Sammy Hearn; Trey Hensley by Cora Wagoner.

Already a Blues Star, Shemekia Copeland Is Still Aiming for Higher Places

Though she downplays notions of fame and exposure, vocalist, songwriter, and bandleader Shemekia Copeland qualifies as a genuine star.

Among 21st century blues artists, she’s right there with Christone “Kingfish” Ingram, Gary Clark Jr., Robert Cray, and Eric Gales as performers whose audience outreach and cache extend far beyond the restrictive circle of specialty radio shows and festivals, where far too many fine performers in that genre are confined. From profiles in The Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, New York Times, Philadelphia Inquirer, CNN, and NPR to coverage in such journals as Rolling Stone and No Depression, Copeland’s ascendency as a performer, her maturation, and her poignant and important vocal and compositional force are consistent and impressive.

It’s accurate, if a bit cliched, to say Copeland was born to sing the blues. The daughter of the legendary Texas shuffle blues great Johnny Copeland, she grew up in Harlem and was accompanying her father as an eight-year-old on the stage of the famed Cotton Club in New York. A decade later she signed with Alligator Records and began a career that’s done nothing but soar since the release of her first album for the label, Turn Up The Heat, in 1978.

Her two most recent LPs, 2018’s America’s Child and 2020’s Uncivil War have cemented her stature. America’s Child featured a rousing version of Ray Wylie Hubbard’s “Barefoot In Heaven,” the personalized romantic tune “Fell In Love With A Honky,” and a tough cover of “Nobody But You,” a tune immortalized decades before by her father. Uncivil War reflected a major happening in Copeland’s life – the birth of a son – and also included memorable numbers once again addressing contemporary issues. America’s Child won both the Blues Music and Living Blues Awards as Album of the Year. Uncivil War won the same honor from not only Living Blues, but DownBeat and MOJO magazines, too. Copeland’s earned multiple Blues Music honors and GRAMMY nominations to date.

Yet many, Copeland included, feel the best is yet to come. Evidence of that can be heard throughout the 12 songs on her newest Alligator LP, Blame It On Eve, which was released August 30. This latest effort again superbly combines social insight, humorous reflection, and tremendous musical numbers. The results are a dynamic presentation of the ideal combination of modern studio technology, distinctive personal commentary, plus the lyrical flair and expressiveness that’s characterized great blues since its inception.

Blame It On Eve, also recorded in Nashville, is her fourth project produced by Will Kimbrough and Copeland gives him high praises for his continuing contributions to her music.

“With Will it’s always magic and the ideal collaboration,” Copeland told BGS during a recent interview. “He really understands my music and how to get the best out of what I’m doing in the studio. No matter what I bring him, he finds a way to improve it, to make it better, and make it work. He’s really been a huge key to the success that I’ve had, and I also really love working in Nashville.”

Kimbrough utilized a host of outstanding special guests for the session. They include Alejandro Escovedo, Luther Dickinson, Jerry Douglas, DeShawn Hickman, Charlie Hunter, and Pascal Danae (of Paris-based band, Delgres).

While Copeland has never shied away from addressing social issues on her albums, she doesn’t like or embrace the notion she’s being “political.” Instead, she prefers the term “topical,” while freely acknowledging that she sees it as important to discuss a variety of subjects, topics and ideas in her music. “I don’t want to be labeled or pigeonholed in any fashion,” she says. “But at the same time, I’ve always felt that my music should speak to contemporary things, to the things that I see and experience. If you want to say that I do cover topical or current issues, that’s accurate. But I don’t see it being political so much as I see it being real, being willing to talk about things that are important to me as a woman, a blues musician and a Black artist.”

From that standpoint, the title track’s forthright dive into the issue of women’s reproductive rights is a prime example of Copeland’s willingness to express herself on thorny and controversial topics. Douglas brings his superb skills on Dobro to a song about Tee Tot Payne, the 20th century Black musician who tutored Hank Williams on the blues. “I was really glad to do that one,” Copeland adds. “There are too many people who don’t know that story or haven’t heard about Tee Tot Payne. If I can inform them about who he was and why’s he important, then I’ve done a service.”

Hickman’s stirring sacred steel contributions enrich “Tell The Devil,” while Copeland took on a special challenge with the song “Belle Sorciere,” singing the chorus in French with the tune’s melody supplied by Danae. “Hardly,” Copeland laughs when asked if she’s fluent in French. “I really tried to make sure that I had the correct words and sang them the right way. I’ve always wanted to do songs in other languages, and I really enjoyed doing that one but it wasn’t easy.”

The release also has its share of fun tunes, notably “Wine O’Clock” and rollicking strains of “Tough Mother.” Copeland also has a pair of excellent cover numbers. One is a heartfelt version of “Down on Bended Knee,” previously done by her father, and an equally compelling rendition of Stevie Wonder’s “Heaven Help Us All,” which serves as a fitting and dynamic closer to a marvelous LP.

Interestingly, when asked how much she enjoys her stature at or near the top of the blues world, Copeland discounts that contention. “In my mind, I’ve still got a long way to go in terms of how far and where I want to see my music go,” Copeland concludes. “I don’t think I’m at the stage of some of the blues rockers like Jon Bonamassa. I’m still aiming for higher places and peaks artistically. You should never be satisfied or settle for things, but keep pushing and striving for excellence. I learned that lesson early and that’s how I’ve continued my career and plan to keep on striving and pushing.”

Nashville audiences will get the chance to hear Copeland in multiple settings this September. She will be featured during AmericanaFest on September 17 at 3rd and Lindsley. The next day, her showcase at Eastside Bowl will air live on Wednesday afternoon, September 18, on WMOT-FM (89.5) Roots Radio. It will also be video streamed on NPR, filmed for NPR Live Sessions, and recorded for NPR’s World Café’s “Best Of AmericanaFest” feature to air later.


Photo Credit: Janet Mami Takayama

WATCH: Larry McCray, “Down to the Bottom” (feat. Warren Haynes)

Artist: Larry McCray
Hometown: Saginaw, Michigan
Song: “Down to the Bottom” (feat. Warren Haynes)
Album: Blues Without You (produced by Joe Bonamassa and Josh Smith)
Release Date: March 25, 2022
Label: KTBA Records

In Their Words: “Albert King, Albert Collins and B.B. King really had the most influence on me because, in my mind, they were the greatest of their generation at playing the blues. And it took them their whole careers to achieve minor milestones in the business. So, if it took the greatest players their entire career to make it, who am I to complain about having to walk in their footsteps? I feel totally reborn, with a whole new career, and I’m optimistic about what the future holds. But truthfully speaking, sometimes I do wish it would have happened 30 years ago. I would have been much more qualified for the job at that age than at 62.

“I met Joe when he was in his early 20s, and I met Josh when he was about 13 out on the road touring. My first impression of both is that they would do exactly what they did by becoming the alpha figures in the pack among all the other guitar players out there. I never thought that either one of them was impressed with anything that I played because I am old school. I was really surprised when I found out that they wanted to work with me. It was very difficult at times — sometimes I even felt very self-conscious having to play before someone I respected to this level musically. But it felt good to be working with old friends that I knew and whose opinions I valued and trusted so much.” — Larry McCray


Photo Credit: Arnie Goodman

Grammy Nominations 2022: See the American Roots Music Nominees

The Grammy Awards have revealed their nominees, and the American Roots Music ballot is especially diverse this year. Take a look at nominations for the 2022 show, which will air January 31 from Los Angeles on CBS. (See the full list.)

Best American Roots Performance

Jon Batiste – “Cry”
Billy Strings – “Love and Regret”
The Blind Boys of Alabama and Béla Fleck – “I Wish I Knew How It Would Feel to be Free”
Brandy Clark Featuring Brandi Carlile – “Same Devil”
Allison Russell – “Nightflyer”

Best American Roots Song

Rhiannon Giddens, Francesco Turrisi – “Avalon”
Valerie June Featuring Carla Thomas – “Call Me a Fool”
Jon Batiste – “Cry”
Yola – “Diamond Studded Shoes”
Allison Russell – Nightflyer

Best Americana Album

Jackson Browne – Downhill From Everywhere
John Hiatt with the Jerry Douglas Band – Leftover Feelings
Los Lobos – Native Sons
Allison Russell – Outside Child
Yola – Stand for Myself

Best Bluegrass Album

Billy Strings – Renewal
Béla Fleck – My Bluegrass Heart
The Infamous Stringdusters – A Tribute to Bill Monroe
Sturgill Simpson – Cuttin’ Grass Vol. 1 (Butcher Shoppe Sessions)
Rhonda Vincent – Music Is What I See

Best Traditional Blues Album

Elvin Bishop and Charlie Musselwhite – 100 Years of Blues
Blues Traveler – Traveler’s Blues
Cedric Burnside – I Be Trying
Guy Davis – Be Ready When I Call You
Kim Wilson – Take Me Back

Best Contemporary Blues Album

The Black Keys Featuring Eric Deaton and Kenny Brown – Delta Kream
Joe Bonamassa – Royal Tea
Shemekia Copeland – Uncivil War
Steve Cropper – Fire It Up
Christone “Kingfish” Ingram – 662

Best Folk Album

Mary Chapin Carpenter – One Night Lonely (Live)
Tyler Childers – Long Violent History
Madison Cunningham – Wednesday (Extended Edition)
Rhiannon Giddens with Francesco Turrisi – They’re Calling Me Home
Sarah Jarosz – Blue Heron Suite

Best Regional Roots Music Album

Sean Ardoin and Kreole Rock and Soul – Live in New Orleans!
Big Chief Monk Boudreaux – Bloodstains and Teardrops
Cha Wa – My People
Corey Ledet Zydaco – Corey Ledet Zydaco
Kalani Pe’a – Kau Ka Pe’a


Photo of Allison Russell: Marc Baptiste
Photo of Tyler Childers: David McClister
Photo of Rhiannon Giddens and Francesco Turrisi: Karen Cox

Fingerstyle Guitarist Sunny War Wants Punk’s Honesty Back in Music

Guitarist and singer/songwriter Sunny War doesn’t necessarily miss performing live, in-person shows — she’s not even sure she ever really liked playing shows that much in the “before COVID-19” times at all. But, as she connects with BGS over the phone in preparation for another pandemic-tailored event, her Shout & Shine livestream show on Wednesday, September 16 (live on BGS, Facebook, and YouTube at 7pm ET / 4pm PT) her general feelings regarding the pandemic and its far-reaching impact on the music industry are very clear: It’s all just really weird.

She, like many creators in the March-and-April maelstrom that swallowed up any/all meaningful work for an interminable period of time, became depressed, distant, and took some time to work her way back into a creative mode that feels respondent to our harsh everyday without being bogged down in it. A punk-influenced and inflected lyricist, she’s once again turning to her songwriting pen as an outlet. 

While her peers turn to that same outlet to process many of the myriad daily tragedies and injustices we’re all so attuned to in this global moment, War instead pauses. “I kinda don’t like protest songs from people who didn’t do it before,” she explains, calling to task the frantic and frenzied rush to pivot records, releases, and pressers into more “appropriate,” digestible bits for a newly awakened, activist reality — and consumer. 

(Watch Sunny War’s complete Shout & Shine performance above.)

But War’s identity, her selfhood, as evidenced through every note of her idiosyncratically finger-plucked songs and through her carefully chosen words in her lyrical poetry and our conversation, calls upon her to challenge that propriety. “[Democracy] actually is working” she explains, noting hypocrisy and/or tone deafness in our roots music communities. “It’s working, it’s always been working. It just hasn’t ever been in our favor.” 

BGS: I’m a banjo player, I came up through bluegrass, and there’s something about your right hand in your guitar playing that’s really entrancing and relatable to me. It conjures bluegrass and fingerstyle, but it is so unique to you, it’s idiosyncratic. Where did your style come from? What influenced your right hand technique, how did it develop? 

SW: I think it came from mimicking banjo, actually. My stepdad’s friend played banjo, so I was around a banjo player sometimes growing up. The first fingerpicking thing I learned was “Blackbird” by the Beatles and that was the first time I thought I sounded kinda good. When I was a kid, I thought, “Wow! This [fingerpicking] sounds way better than just strumming a chord.” I never really learned a lot of chords, I still just play a lot of chords in first position. I was just playing C and G and D open and I thought, “Well now I sound like I’m really playing something.” 

I didn’t listen to blues until I was in high school and then I was kind of imitating country, blues, and my stepdad’s friend on banjo. Later, I was trying to be like Mississippi John Hurt; and I kinda wanted to be like Chet Atkins. But I couldn’t ever figure that out. 

I see plenty of folks in the scene who idolize Derek Trucks or Joe Bonamassa or even Molly Tuttle and Billy Strings who are coming up. There are these guitar fans that just idolize and adore them. Have you seen guitar fans trying to capture what you’re doing with your playing?

Not really? I don’t know. There are some people on Facebook and Instagram who message [me] and want to talk about my guitar style, but they’re usually just into old-timey blues stuff. Then we just talk about that. Sometimes they ask who I listen to. But I think [the implication is], “You’re really close to maybe being like this person I know of.” 

I can think of a lot of shredders out there, but I do the same kind of riffs in every key that I play in. I feel like I can say I really do fingerpick well, but I know people that really do it and can play as well with their left hand as their right. I’m not quite there. [Laughs]

It’s hard to talk about music and performing right now without acknowledging the giant, COVID-19 elephant in the room. It’s interesting to me that this moment of pausing, of stopping everything, especially in the music industry, has given artists a chance to refocus or realign their priorities – have you been thinking about the future? Thinking about the present? How has the pandemic felt to you? 

The first three months I was just depressed and drinking a lot and not doing anything. Then recently, I’ve been trying to write. I’ve been jamming with my friend Milo, who plays a lot of lead guitar on two of my albums, and we’re going to make some demos together. I’ve also been thinking about going to school, trying to get into some kind of two-year program. Since music might not [come back], there might not be live music for two more years. I’m thinking about getting a job. [Laughs] 

It’s daunting to wake up every day like, “I’m going to keep doing this now, because I believe — I think — it’s going to happen in the future.” It’s a lot! 

Yeah, it’s like, “Maybe music is just not essential…” You know? [Sad chuckle] 

Then, with the whole Zoom thing and the livestream thing, I’m just not really into it. I’m not enjoying it at all, it feels weird. It’s just like, sitting in a room by yourself, trying to make a video, and then you think, “Should I look into the camera? Should there be talking in between?” You’re trying to imitate a set at a venue, but you’re just sitting by yourself. It just feels weird! I would rather just play by myself, without a camera. 

I liked playing shows [before] kind of, but I almost didn’t even like that. At least it felt like there was a reason for doing it. I was talking to my mom and we both realized we used to watch concerts before, too. Just then it was an actual concert on film. Even that would be better! If there were somehow an audience in the livestream… I guess that can’t be, but it’s just awkward [without them.] Seeing a band play off of the energy of the room is more what it’s about.

Well, for your Shout & Shine livestream performance we’ll have to ask our audience to be “loud” in the comments! Use that clapping hands emoji! [Laughs] Who would you like to see as a guest on Shout & Shine? Whose music is inspiring you right now and getting you through the day-to-day?

I like Tré Burt! Amythyst Kiah, too. 

Have you heard of Yes Ma’am? They’re from New Orleans – the singer sometimes plays solo, but also has a band. They used to busk on the street in New Orleans. It’s just really good, a great kinda folky string band. 

I like the new Run The Jewels album. I listen to Elliott Smith still, and a lot of ‘90s music. I like Black Pumas a lot.

What would you like to see from the music community, as far as a response to this moment in our culture’s history — not only the racial injustice and righteous rebellions against police brutality, but also how divided and polarized our musical community is now. It’s like half people who want music to “remain apolitical” and half folks who are like, “Music has always been political, where the fuck have you been all along?” What do you see as the urgent need of our community to reconcile all of this? I know that’s a huge question.

I think it just needs to become about honesty again. That’s something I would like to see. I’m not really that into “Americana” music, but even so I feel like [Americana] musicians are going to be faced with not being able to let these issues go unaddressed anymore. I think that’s interesting. At this point, you can’t just put out your weird corny love song that’s not even about anything that happened in your life, but is actually just something that makes sense pop-wise and hit-wise. You should have to really be honest. People don’t necessarily have to be “political,” they can just write about all the emotions they’re going through. We’re all dealing with the pandemic and with Trump and with police brutality — it’s a lot. Even if people don’t want to write a song about why we should get rid of the police, they could at least write about how scared they are. I don’t know, there’s a different, new kind of folk that could happen about just being freaked out and unsure of your future. I love shit like that. 

I kinda don’t like protest songs from people who didn’t do it before. It’s just not hitting right. I don’t want your protest music if you weren’t writing it before. Whatever issue is being highlighted, it’s always like, “Yeah, we’ve BEEN talking about that.” [Expectant pause] This has been the conversation. I’m into punk, I’ve always liked protest music. As far as folk, I do like its protest music, but I mostly like punk or really politically-charged hip-hop. It’s kind of annoying when say, a really poppy country person who’s never said anything about anything is writing a protest song. It’s just cashing in. It’s corny. It’s weird. 

And another thing, a lot of people who are going out to these Black Lives Matter protests and stuff, I still don’t feel like they would treat me any differently than they normally would. I saw people posing and taking pictures. This is a weird thing to just be a trend. 

Like Breonna Taylor now being a meme.

Yeah. It’s offensive, it’s too much. 

And how many times they show those videos [of Black people being murdered by police]. There’s a lot of murder porn going around! People are saying one thing, but showing someone die every day. I was kind of like, “You know, I don’t think they would show a video of a white person being killed, over and over again.” A lot of things happening right now are really dehumanizing and I don’t think people can see it unless they really, really think about it. Or maybe put themselves in that position. It’s murder porn.

I know what happened. I don’t want to see this over and over again. I don’t need to physically see it to be angry about it. Think of all the bad this is doing to our psyches on top of everything else, seeing people murdered every day. 

But, a lot of musicians are “activists” now, I guess. I just… don’t really know what that means. They were going to put out a song anyway. That’s what they do for a living. Obviously they can’t just put out the typical love song — that’s what people always write about, love. That would be “offensive.” Or, it wouldn’t be “appropriate.” So they all have to change and pretend to be “activists.” It’s just a reflection of what’s trending right now. 

I just want to know: Are they actually going to change in a year? I’m curious to know how long the Black Lives Matter profile pictures are going to stay up. 


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