BGS 5+5: Pokey LaFarge

Artist: Pokey LaFarge
Hometown: Normal, Illinois
Latest album: Rock Bottom Rhapsody

What was the first moment that you knew you wanted to be a musician?

When I heard Bill Monroe’s voice and mandolin. No one around me was doing it and I knew that was a way of being different and getting noticed. It was the most ballsy and exotic thing I’d heard up in [my] first fourteen years on earth.

What other art forms — literature, film, dance, painting, etc — inform your music?

I love to dance with my buddies and with ladies, I am an avid reader of fiction, such as novels, and non-fiction, too — usually, WWI, WWII, Mafia, and artist biographies.

Which elements of nature do you spend the most time with and how do those impact your work?

Well, any and all… but my preferences are water or forests over mountains and desert. I like to go to local parks and run or hike. I like long walks anywhere I can. But I actually spend a lot of time in the gym, specifically the boxing gym. I have tons of energy and need to exert that physically or my mind gets overworked. An easy mind and a fit body makes Pokey a peaceful boy.

Since food and music go so well together, what is your dream pairing of a meal and a musician?

Steak and potatoes and wine with Tom Waits, a piano, a guitar, and an orchestra.

How often do you hide behind a character in a song or use “you” when it’s actually “me”?

I almost always write in first person, or so I think.


Photo credit: Larry Niehues

LISTEN: John Dennis, “First Light”

Artist: John Dennis
Hometown: Freeburg, Illinois
Song: “First Light”
Album: Mortal Flames
Release Date: January 31, 2020
Label: Rainfeather Records

In Their Words: “This tune is my own version of a creation myth. Because the whole record is intended to tell a larger chronological story, I wanted to set up the ‘mortal flames’ idea by challenging myself to imagine my own poetic version of existence coming to be. The idea that resonated most with me was all life being a part of one great, harmonious (and sometimes cacophonous) song and dance; and its fundamental ‘meaning’ is to continually experience the wonder of itself. (‘Each given a freedom and time to make up their own meaning for this life, When really they were merely born to see, to shine first light.’)

“There are a multitude of stories and myths we can all inhabit, but, as someone who can get consumed and paralyzed by existential questioning, it gave me peace to think that, at the very bottom of it all, I’m fulfilling a ‘purpose’ just by being. These themes get explored throughout the record, but if you listen closely after the final song, you’ll hear the whistling motif from ‘First Light’ again, which was meant to signify the cyclical nature of life — the constant rising and falling, creation and destruction, darkness into light back into darkness.

“It’s also worth noting that I was listening to a lot of Paul Simon when I wrote this — specifically The Rhythm of the Saints and So Beautiful or So What records.” — John Dennis


Photo credit: Kristin Indorato

A Spirit of Activism Informs Son Volt’s New ‘Union’

Jay Farrar took a field trip to make Union, Son Volt’s ninth studio album. Rather than book more sessions at Red Pill Recording Studio in St. Louis — where the long-running alt-country band recorded 2017’s Notes of Blue — he wanted to take his songs out into America and find fresh inspiration. So the band trekked west to Tulsa, where they cut tracks at the Woody Guthrie Center, then road-tripped north to Mt. Olive, Illinois, to record at the Mother Jones Museum.

The spirit of activism embodied by those two figures informs the thirteen songs on Union, an urgent and at times angry account of American life at the close of the 2010s. More naturally than on any other album, Farrar balances the political and the personal, penning songs about how the media-industrial complex profits by dividing the country alongside songs about how his children are growing into adults.

BGS: Why did you want to record at the Woody Guthrie Center and the Mother Jones Museum?

Farrar: I felt like it was a little too comfortable in the studio where I had recorded before. I was writing about topical issues, so I felt like some of the songs needed to be taken out of the studio. I wanted to take them out into the world. I wanted to record them in a more challenging environment, so we went to Tulsa and Mount Olive to remind ourselves of the contributions Mother Jones and Woody Guthrie made, how each in their own way helped get us where we are today. We just felt like we needed to be inspired.

Those are two very different places. How were those experiences different?

The Mother Jones Museum is pretty small. It’s connected to the City Hall, I think. It’s evolved a lot since I was younger. I remember seeing hand-painted signs on the side of Interstate 55 going north. It was like folk art. Over the years it’s evolved, and I guess they got some funding from the city. They’re continuing to grow and build on it. I think she’s buried in the cemetery there as well.

At the Woody Guthrie Center, they have the new Bob Dylan archives, and we were able go by there after the recording. Amazing stuff there — the tambourine that inspired “Mr. Tambourine Man,” Dylan’s address book from ’63 or ’64. He’s got Lenny Bruce in there. Stuff like that. We geeked out for sure. It’s pretty comprehensive, too, because they have everything archived digitally as well as the physical objects. They wouldn’t actually let us touch anything, of course.

That sounds amazing. And, as you said, inspiring.

It was. And we were looking through some of the materials and had a question about one of the videos we were watching. So the curator said, “Wait one minute and I’ll get an answer for you.” He called Bob Dylan’s business office and talked with someone there. He got an answer straight from the source.

How did those places inform the songs on Union?

The songs were ready to go prior to going in. I didn’t write anything there, but with some of the heavy topical subject matter, this batch of songs needed to be taken out of the studio where I recorded Notes of Blue. We needed to be challenged in every way, but maybe I was just looking for a field trip. But I think those two people really did inspire some of the writing, in a roundabout way. Mother Jones and Woody Guthrie really helped shape our society and really stressed the importance of pushing society forward and not backwards.

How much of a conscious decision is it to write topical songs? Do you sit down and think, “I’m going to write a song about the media”?

It goes in cycles for me. I’ve done some topical writing in the past, but this time around it felt like it was my job to take it on. There’s a lot of turmoil in our society right now. I did a lot of the writing in November 2016, right before Notes of Blue was released in the spring of 2017. So I had a few months to put pen to paper and woodshed, and that’s when a lot of these songs came out.

Probably midway through the writing process, I decided I needed some songs that represented a regular rock ethos — essentially, non-topical songs. There needed to be a balance between topical and non-topical songs. I was thinking about the Replacements, who would fall off the stage on the first note of a song. Or The Who. I was thinking about the essence of what a rock band is. “Devil May Care” came from that approach.

Do you find new shades of meaning the more you live with a song, the more you play it night after night after night?

These new songs will probably evolve a bit from rehearsals to when we start the tour. That’s always one aspect of being on the road that I enjoy: reinventing older songs and playing them in new ways, just to keep things interesting. Certain songs just want to evolve, especially if you’re playing them every day in rehearsals and soundchecks. “Windfall” is one that has changed a lot. There’s a CD out there called Artifacts that has a reggae version. We change that one up pretty regularly, and we changed it up again over the holidays. Actually I think we’ve got reggae versions of almost every Son Volt song. But that one in particular is so well-suited to that style that we put it out on a live CD.

Why reggae?

“Windfall” is conducive to reggae. It’s just a couple of chords. But I think from one day to the next you like to stretch out and just try out different kinds of music that you’re not necessarily playing every night. I think some of the guys in the band would probably like to try some experimental jazz-fusion versions of some songs.

Can we expect to hear “Caryatid Easy” done in the style of Bitches Brew?

That’s one song we plan on resurrecting for the tour, so who knows?

Can you talk about “The Reason”? That song seems to suggest that travel and music can be salves in hard times, which makes me think it’s somewhere between topical and non-topical.

That song reminds me of Dylan’s “Forever Young” or Tom Petty’s “Free Fallin’.” I think it relates to watching your kids become adults, that sort of sentiment. It’s certainly informed by them, to the same degree that those Dylan and Petty songs were informed by their kids. But yeah, in troubled times getting out and traveling is good. You have to find hope wherever you can.

On the other hand, “Union” was inspired by my dad. The chorus goes, “He said national service will keep the union together.” National service is something my dad used to advocate for. Maybe he’s right, I don’t know. There’s a lot of money being made today by media conglomerates hawking divisiveness. It seems like there needs to be a counterbalance somewhere.

You’ve written topical songs in the past, with Uncle Tupelo and on 2005’s Okemah and the Melody of Riot. How different is it to write this kind of song in 2019 than when either of the Bushes were in office?

It’s not the process itself that was different, although I will say I was more focused this time. I had a block of time and was thinking about these issues, so I could be more focused on getting these songs written, maybe more so than I had been in the past. A few topical songs wound up on records in the past, maybe one or two. Okemah had a good amount of them. I guess I’ll keep cranking them out.


Photo credit: David McClister

LISTEN: Dan Hubbard, “We Are One”

Artist: Dan Hubbard
Hometown: Bloomington, Illinois
Song: “We Are One”
Album: Attention
Release Date: April 26, 2019

In Their Words: “When I listen to Top 40 radio, seemingly every song is about having sex (not that there is anything wrong with that) but they are rarely about making love, and more about satisfying our own desires and treating one another like objects. This song is about the sacred experience of being intimate with someone in a relationship based on mutual love and respect. Musically we tried to make the verses feel easy and free, similar to Tom Petty’s ‘Wildflowers,’ with the choruses bringing in the intensity and a change of pace.” — Dan Hubbard


Photo credit: Dani Lang

BGS 5+5: The Way Down Wanderers

Artist: The Way Down Wanderers
Hometown: Peoria, Illinois
Latest album: illusions

All replies by Austin Krause-Thompson and Collin Krause

What’s your favorite memory from being on stage?

As a band, we’ve had some amazing opportunities to perform at venues all across the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom. Needless to say, we’ve cultivated some unforgettable moments together on stage. One of the best feelings a musician can have is looking out an audience and seeing people singing all of the lyrics. It is moments like these where we are inspired and encouraged to keep touring and writing as much as possible. At our live show, one of our favorite ways to end a high energy set is to get off the stage and join the audience for a final unplugged song. These usually turn into a giant sing-along/dance circle.

At one particular acoustic encore, we were playing for a large crowd in a tight space and Austin accidentally hit Collin in the face with his guitar peg. Collin got a pretty rough-looking black eye, but this certainly turned into a bonding experience for the two of them and the band looks back at this memory with amusement. Whether it’s a show that ends with an accidental black eye, or a group sing-along, we try to make the most of every song we play. We cherish every second we get to share with our listeners and with one another on stage.

How often do you hide behind a character in a song or use “you” when it’s actually “me”?

This isn’t a technique that we have used too often, but it is used once on the album illusions. “Old Ford” is a song where the writer is hiding behind “you” when it’s actually “me.” It’s a song that tells the story of a broken friendship, and the feelings of guilt, remorse, and bitterness. As a writer, using this technique is challenging. It calls for self-actualization and putting yourself in another’s place. Doing this can open so many doors of possibility. Writing from a single perspective can also become very challenging over time. It’s easy to fall into writer’s block, or become stagnant. We try to push our writing techniques as well as keep listeners on their toes.

Which elements of nature do you spend the most time with and how do those impact your work?

Having the opportunity to totally immerse oneself in nature can be such a valuable thing for emotional health and creativity. That peaceful break from the fast-paced, hustling city environment was channeled multiple times on different songs in our new album illusions.

When I started writing “Crooked Pines,” I remember being specifically inspired by a location in nature. I began working on the song after Austin and I started spending more time together around my sophomore year of high school. Austin introduced me to a then-secret hiking trail in our hometown of Peoria, Illinois, called Rocky Glen. After a short drive you reach a Buddhist temple. Behind the temple, there is a small clearing where, if you explore, you’ll discover a narrow, overgrown hiking path sown with thorns and stinging nettle. The winding path continues for about a mile and spits you out at a steep slope. After descending a ridge, you’re greeted by a deep quarry filled with massive stones and a small waterfall.

Austin and I would explore Rocky Glen at least a few times a week that summer. At our visits to the Glen, I felt as though I was visiting a location that fulfilled my human spirit and recharged me spiritually. In writing the song “Crooked Pines.” I tried to express the feeling I had when I visited Rocky Glen and how nature itself is a powerful force that doesn’t want the change of mankind.

What rituals do you have, either in the studio or before a show?

Before studio sessions and live shows we have the ritual of vocal warm-ups. Warming up is a crucial part of executing a good performance for us. Over the last year we’ve worked with a great vocal coach, Mitchell Hutchings, to prepare for the recording of illusions. We were taught some warm-ups that are as helpful as they are hysterical. For example; singing “BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH” through arpeggios in various keys. As well as things like “Frank will thank the bank!” We have fun taking these out of context and singing them at random times on the road.

What other art forms — literature, film, dance, painting, etc — inform your music?

We love making music because it is constantly informed by other art forms. Movement is something that is commonly informed by music, but oftentimes, we can refer to in which ways we want to move or dance to inform the feeling of a song. The music video for “All My Words” shows different forms of expression through dance and American Sign Language. This helps convey the message of one having a lack of expression.

Literature and poetry are other art forms that inspired the title track of illusions. The concept for the song is directly influenced by a Virginia Woolf quote: “Growing up is losing some illusions, in order to acquire others.” This statement about childhood, and how one’s perspective and emotions can change over time, sparked the notion that life is really a series of illusions; it’s up to us how we respond to them.