LISTEN: Clint Roberts, “Jeremiah”

Artist: Clint Roberts
Hometown: Brevard, North Carolina
Song: “Jeremiah”
Album: Holler Choir
Release Date: May 13, 2022
Label: Carry On Music

In Their Words: “‘Jeremiah’ approaches sentiments that I’ve held for many years, but I haven’t known quite how to approach them in a song until recently. Growing up in a rural mountain town, few people stuck out. Those who did, did so courageously, often because they had no other choice. Hearing others use slurs was commonplace, unfortunately. The nails that stuck out got hammered down. Though I’ve never been subject to any discrimination, I have friends who have been many times. ‘Jeremiah’ is a memory of my feelings about it. It is a critique of the Bible Belt, but also American culture at large. I’m proud of where I’m from, but we have some things to work on. I try to stay optimistic.

“This song is a commentary on growing up in the South and witnessing discrimination against young gay [LGBTQ+] individuals. I myself do not have a gay brother, but have dear friends who identify as so. As a heterosexual male, I can’t and won’t pretend to know what many people go through that are discriminated against. I can only speak to the pain I feel watching it happen in front of me. ‘Jeremiah’ was my way of expressing solidarity through the lens of my Appalachian upbringing.” — Clint Roberts


Photo Credit: Kendall Bailey Photography

BGS 5+5: Carley Arrowood

Artist: Carley Arrowood
Hometown: Newton, North Carolina
Latest Album: Goin’ Home Comin’ On
Personal nicknames: My really close friends call me “Carl,” mostly against my will. Also I did marry Mr. Daniel Thrailkill, and I did take his name! But it was his idea for me to keep Arrowood for my music stuff.

What artist has influenced you the most, and how?

Oh, gracious. There are literally SO many artists/fiddlers who have left an impact on me in some special way. I definitely have to say Alison Krauss for one. She effortlessly executes everything. Y’all already know. I’ve also really learned and have been trying to remember the past several years that not everything has to be super fancy, as long as it’s tasteful and intentional, so another fiddler I look up to is Stuart Duncan. Again, effortless, gorgeous playing, and the man knows where longer, breathier bows fit perfectly. I’m loving picking up on that. Jim VanCleve is another one. The first time I heard his playing as a teenager I thought, “How in the world is he making his fiddle sound like an electric guitar?!” And I learned that trick, too. The group Celtic Woman also had an enormous impact on me as a little girl, and because of their original fiddler Mairead Nesbitt, I have an extra love for the Celtic flair. I still can’t dance and play, though. I could keep going but I have four more questions to answer. Haha!

What’s your favorite memory from being onstage?

Again, too many to count, but one that has come back to mind a lot recently is when I was playing in my teen group Most Wanted Bluegrass. We were about to finish a set down in Walhalla, South Carolina, maybe had three songs left. My sister Autumn was taking a mandolin break so I was chopping behind her. Next thing I know, I hit my E string with the frog of my bow and I literally chopped it in half. It was SO funny! The sad part was, I’d just cleaned out my fiddle case and didn’t have an extra string, so I just stood up there and clapped along with the band. Good times!

What rituals do you have, either in the studio or before a show?

I wouldn’t call it a ‘ritual’, but I do try to remember to talk to the Lord and pray before (or during) anything like recording or performing onstage. Because a lot of times I get so caught up in the hype and the applause and good times, and even in getting it right, that I admit I forget where it all comes from in the first place. God gave the gift of music, so I ask Him to help me remember to glorify Him in everything I do. I’m just a sinful human, but He is so worthy of everything.

What has been the best advice you’ve received so far in your career so far?

Like I said earlier, I’ve tried to really hone in and know that not everything has to be flashy and fancy, especially since stepping into a solo career. Years ago when I was recording for Darin and Brooke Aldridge, Darin told me “less is more,” and that has stuck with me a lot, even as a fiddle teacher. Also here recently, I had the privilege of talking to Sierra Hull and she told me to just play “whatever I could, whenever I could, wherever I could,” and I just really loved that! If I’m going all in with this thing, I just gotta do it and not be afraid. I’m thankful for both of those phrases.

Which elements of nature do you spend the most time with and how do those impact your work?

Daniel and I love to hike and be in the mountains when we can. We love chasing waterfalls and sunsets and just seeing the vibrant colors of the last light of day. We also love spending time on our front porch in the warmer months, feeling the breeze and the sunshine on our faces. All of that just makes me feel really small, and magnifies the majesty of Jesus and His love toward us, so it’s just really refreshing and inspiring for new creativity. I personally love when springtime comes around and everything is made new again. It’s like new possibilities on the horizon!


Photo Credit: Laci Connell, High Lonesome Sound Photography

LISTEN: Erika Lewis, “A Thousand Miles”

Artist: Erika Lewis
Hometown: Asheville, North Carolina
Song: “A Thousand Miles”
Album: A Walk Around the Sun
Release Date: April 29, 2022

In Their Words: “I wrote ‘A Thousand Miles’ nearly a decade ago when I was living in New Orleans. It was inspired by a new love and was one of those tunes that seemed to write itself one night sitting on the front porch. The essence of the song is really about choosing love and hoping for the best. That lover and I have long since parted ways but the sentiment still feels relevant. The recording features Shaye Cohn (Tuba Skinny) on fiddle and harmony vocals, Megan Coleman on drums, John James Tourville (The Deslondes) on pedal steel and electric guitar, Dennis Crouch on upright bass, and Casey Wayne McAllister on Wurlitzer.” — Erika Lewis


Photo Credit: Sarrah Danziger

Carolina Calling: the Wilmington Effect

From Blue Velvet to One Tree Hill, scores of movies & TV shows have been filmed in & around Wilmington, North Carolina. Perhaps the best-known is Dawson’s Creek, the popular late-’90s coming-of-age drama series. While the show tried to tackle progressive storylines, its stark lack of diversity made Dawson’s Creek frequently cited as the whitest show ever. Nearly two decades after it went off the air, tourists still come to Wilmington in search of the show’s landmarks.

But Wilmington has a more difficult, less visible side to its history, politically as well as culturally, going back to the 1700s. Long before North Carolina became one of America’s original 13 colonies, there were thriving Indigenous communities throughout the region. There was also a time when Wilmington’s most famous musician was a man of color, Frank Johnson: fiddler, composer, and bandleader – and one of the biggest stars in American music in the years before the Civil War.

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During Reconstruction, Wilmington was an unusually progressive, forward-thinking town. In contrast to the state of things elsewhere in the South, Wilmington elected a racially diverse local government, led by both whites and freed Black people.

That came to an abrupt end in 1898 with a white-supremacist coup, a bloody rampage that left numerous people of color dead and Black-owned businesses destroyed. Those the mob didn’t kill, they chased out of town. That left Wilmington with a mostly white population, an all-white local government – and a whitewashed version of the city’s history in which Black people’s contributions were erased from the official story.

This might seem like ancient history, but it’s not. Wilmington’s most famous native-born musician is probably Charlie Daniels, the country-music star who died in the summer of 2020. Daniels was born in 1936 – less than four decades after that 1898 uprising. The real story of the 1898 coup is finally coming to light in recent years, thanks to works like the 2020 Pulitzer-winning book Wilmington’s Lie. But it’s still not widely known.

In this episode of Carolina Calling, we explore Wilmington – a town that keeps its secrets even as they’re hidden in plain sight – through the life and career of Frank Johnson, whose his story and stardom were all but lost to time – or rather, to the erasing effects of the 1898 massacre on Wilmington’s history.

This episode features John Jeremiah Sullivan, a writer and historian who lives in Wilmington and has written extensively about the city’s music and history for The New Yorker and New York Times magazine, as well as Grammy winner Rhiannon Giddens, and musicians Charly Lowry and Lakota John.

Subscribe to Carolina Calling on any and all podcast platforms to follow along as we journey across the Old North State, visiting towns like Durham, Asheville, Shelby, Greensboro, and more.


Music featured in this episode:

Paula Cole – “I Don’t Want To Wait”
“Saraz Handpan C# Minor”
Charlie Daniels – “Long Haired Country Boy”
Traditional – “The Lumbee Song”
Lakota John – “She Caught The Katy”
Ranky Tanky – “Knee Bone”
Lauchlin Shaw, Glenn Glass & Fred Olson – “Twinkle Little Star”
Marvin Gaster, Rich Hartness, Beth Hartness & Harry Gaster – “Rye Straw”
Evelyn Shaw, Lauchlin Shaw, A.C. Overton & Wayne Martin – “Money, Marbles and Chalk”
Marvin Gaster, Rich Hartness, Beth Hartness & Harry Gaster – “Chickens Growing at Midnight”
Rhiannon Giddens w/ Franceso Turrisi – “Avalon”
Rhiannon Giddens w/ Franceso Turrisi – “There Is No Other”
Joe Thompson & Odell Thompson – “Donna Got a Rambling Mind”
The Showmen – “39-23-46”


BGS is proud to produce Carolina Calling in partnership with Come Hear NC, a campaign from the North Carolina Department of Natural & Cultural Resources designed to celebrate North Carolinians’ contribution to the canon of American music.

Portrait of Frank Johnson via the National Portrait Gallery

LISTEN: The Dead Tongues, “Garden Song”

Artist: The Dead Tongues
Hometown: Asheville, North Carolina
Song: “Garden Song”
Album: Dust
Release Date: April 1, 2022
Label: Psychic Hotline

In Their Words:Dust came together like no other record I’ve done. It came out of a period of silence and isolation where most days I would find myself studying trees and cutting trails through the deep woods. Writing, recording and producing this album was as much about finding new ways of relating to making music as it was about making a record. Dust is simply a byproduct of that exploration when the silence finally broke. It was written in a matter of weeks, recorded in days. It just flowed. It’s this idea of uprooting and rebirth and cycles, and the past informing the future, and the future informing the past. There is no single story. Everything is connected. ‘Garden Song’ touches on an idea of trying to be where we are, rather than getting too caught up in building narratives and making judgments on our experiences in the moment. It’s a song about finding home in constant transition.” — Ryan Gustafson, The Dead Tongues


Photo Credit: Charlie Boss

WATCH: Valorie Miller, “Apocalachia”

Artist: Valorie Miller
Hometown: Asheville, North Carolina
Song: “Apocalachia”
Album: Only the Killer Would Know
Release Date: May 6, 2022
Label: Blackbird Record Label / Indie AM Gold

In Their Words: “‘Apocalachia’ is not only a song on the record, it’s also an imaginary realm I inhabit when wrestling with life’s larger conundrums. When I realized that my beloved Appalachian home was contaminated with chemicals manufactured for warfare, it seemed natural to merge the word ‘apocalypse’ with ‘Appalachia.’ While the subject seems dark to many, I’m simply writing what happens to me and exhibiting willingness to speak of subjects that most would rather avoid. No, it’s not ‘upbeat,’ but it’s real and it contains a message of hope: the earth will heal herself from wounds inflicted by humans. A whole new garden will grow, y’all!” — Valorie Miller


Photo Credit: Meg Reilly

Amanda Anne Platt & The Honeycutters Deliver ‘The Devil and the Deep Blue Sea’

On a clear, blue, late-winter afternoon outside of Black Mountain, North Carolina, Amanda Anne Platt was sitting alone on the deck of a coffee shop. Across the state road were dormant railroad tracks and beyond them the Blue Ridge Mountains, too close to see the blue ridge they cut across the sky. Workers were on the roof sawing and nailing shingles. Platt put away her book, pushed aside her long-finished coffee mug, and smiled against the sun.

For someone who sings so many sad songs, Platt is pretty easygoing. Granted, it’s not news that singing sad songs makes people feel better, and there are enough on her new album to give a singer a whole new lease on life. Then again, Platt barely remembers the album is new. The process this time, she notes, “has been so gradual that it doesn’t even feel like it was a mountain to climb, or that there’s any big release. It was a very gentle roll that gathered some momentum and happened.”

The resulting project, The Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, features songs that Platt and her band, the Honeycutters, released two per month over the past year, gradually amassing enough to satisfy a vision of a double album that she’d had for a while. “I had, a long time ago, decided I wanted to make an album called The Devil and the Deep Blue Sea,” she says. “I had the concept of one half being more upbeat, full-band treatment, and the other half being quiet, introspective, more solo-type stuff.”

Though the “Deep Blue Sea” portion of the album is not entirely solo, the concept plays nicely together. It is thick on Platt’s unrestrained vocals, intimate melodies, and truth-centered storytelling. The album ruminates on the concept of home in a way that stretches beyond the stuck-at-home-and-made-an-album themes coming from so many songwriters in the Covid era. Part of that is due to the way the recording process evolved.

“When the pandemic hit,” she says, “we started doing some home recordings. Then I went in alone to the studio to do a few demos, to inform the home recordings. That morphed into getting the whole band involved in remote recording, and that morphed into doing the singles. And then that morphed into [thinking] we need to do this every month or we’ll never get this done because we don’t work well without deadlines—or, I don’t work well without deadlines.”

As organic and quarantine-influenced as the recording process was, its themes—loss, family, home, the relationship Platt, as the band’s songwriter, has with all these things—were borne out of a period preceding the pandemic, when a few major life events took place one after another.

“A lot of these songs,” she explains, “were written right when my parents were selling the house that I grew up in, and there was a lot of change and upheaval going on in my life at that point. That was right before the pandemic and right before I had my daughter. There were a few years there where it felt like nothing was sure. Everything I ever thought of as home was like—never mind, that’s gone. [Also] everything I thought I knew about myself, because you know becoming a mother is such a mind-blowing experience. And then the pandemic happens, and now everybody feels that way regardless of how their last few years have been.”

Platt and her husband relocated from Asheville to Black Mountain around that time, making a conscious move away from the town that had been home since she arrived in Western North Carolina in 2004.

Originally from New York, Platt moved South to pursue her music because she had grown up listening to the country music her parents always played. They had both lived for a time in Austin, Texas, and had a soft spot for Southern artists like Lucinda Williams and Jimmie Dale Gilmore. Thus, when she gained traction playing shows around the Asheville area, she was shy about publicizing her upbringing in the Northeast, lest anyone write her off as a country-singing poser.

“I felt like being a Yankee was sort of a handicap,” she admits, “and really, those first couple years and on our first album—I listen to that first album and I sound like I’m trying very hard to sound like a country singer. Whereas I feel like over time I’ve become more comfortable with who I am.”

Indeed, over the course of seven full-length albums, Platt’s voice has become more sure-footed. She may say that’s because she’s no longer trying to hide her Yankee origins, but there’s more to it than just that. Her songwriting has become stronger and there’s more authority in the instrumental breaks as well. Part of this is what happens when a singer gets used to the sound of her own voice on tape, when a band has clocked as many miles together—both literally and figuratively—as have the Honeycutters. But whatever it is that has swirled together, The Devil and the Deep Blue Sea carries with it some of Platt’s finest work yet.

“When I first moved to North Carolina,” she continues, “I was trying very hard to sound like I was from North Carolina and writing songs about North Carolina. Maybe me writing so much about New York and me thinking so much about that on this album was a bit of a homecoming in a way.”

One of its strongest tracks is titled, simply, “New York.” It’s heavy on sentiment and beautifully captures the conflicting emotions of saying goodbye to her childhood house for the last time.

My whole world grew up from this house
Now we’re turning all the lights out
And I’m standing in the doorway with one eye on the street
Afraid I’ll take the floorboards with me if I move my feet.

To hear Platt tell it, there is something meaningful to the fact that her parents sold her childhood home around the same time she moved to Black Mountain and became a parent herself, leaning into building a new home that will become such a space for her daughter. Hard times ultimately lead to growth, after all, and Platt is at a place in her life where she welcomes the evolution—both personally and musically.

“For a long time,” she says, “I was more reliant on my band. I’m still reliant on them in the way that I love playing with them and I love what they bring to the table, and I always feel stronger when I have them behind me. But over the years I’ve gotten more able to hold my own. I think it makes me more able to sing over them and be in front of them when I’m with them. Part of that was [shifting] to using my own name several years ago. And then just being more comfortable by myself now, too. I used to feel very sheepish playing solo shows and now I don’t mind them.”


Photo Credit: Sandlin Gaither

Carolina Calling, Greensboro: the Crossroads of Carolina

Known as the Gate City, Greensboro, North Carolina is a transitional town: hub of the Piedmont between the mountain high country to the west and coastal Sandhill Plains to the east, and a city defined by the people who have come, gone, and passed through over the years. As a crossroads location, it has long been a way station for many endeavors, including touring musicians – from the likes of the Rolling Stones and Jimi Hendrix at the Greensboro Coliseum, the state’s largest indoor arena, to James Brown and Otis Redding at clubs like the El Rocco on the Chitlin’ Circuit. Throw in the country and string band influences from the textile mill towns in the area, and the regional style of the Piedmont blues, and you’ve got yourself quite the musical melting pot.

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This historical mixture was not lost on one of Greensboro’s own, Rhiannon Giddens – one of modern day Americana’s ultimate crossover artists. A child of black and white parents, she grew up in the area hearing folk and country music, participating in music programs in local public schools, and eventually going on to study opera at Oberlin Conservatory in Ohio. Once she returned to North Carolina and came under the study of fiddler Joe Thompson and the Black string band tradition, she began playing folk music and forged an artistic identity steeped in classical as well as vernacular music. In this episode of Carolina Calling, we spoke with Giddens about her background in Greensboro and how growing up mixed and immersed in various cultures, in a city so informed by its history of segregation and status as a key civil rights battleground, informed her artistic interests and endeavors, musical styles, and her mission in the music industry.

Subscribe to Carolina Calling on any and all podcast platforms to follow along as we journey across the Old North State, visiting towns like Durham, Wilmington, Shelby, and more.


Music featured in this episode:

Rhiannon Giddens – “Black is the Color”
Andrew Marlin – “Erie Fiddler”
Carolina Chocolate Drops – “Cornbread and Butterbeans”
The Rolling Stones – “Rocks Off”
Count Basie and His Orchestra – “Honeysuckle Rose”
Roy Harvey – “Blue Eyes”
Blind Boy Fuller – “Step It Up and Go”
Rhiannon Giddens, Francesco Turrisi – “Avalon”
Carolina Chocolate Drops – “Snowden’s Jig (Genuine Negro Jig)”
Barbara Lewis -“Hello Stranger”
The O’Kaysions – “Girl Watcher”
Joe and Odell Thompson – “Donna Got a Rambling Mind”
Carolina Chocolate Drops – “Country Girl”
Carolina Chocolate Drops – “Hit ‘Em Up Style”
Our Native Daughters – “Moon Meets the Sun”
Rhiannon Giddens, Francesco Turrisi – “Si Dolce é’l Tormento”


BGS is proud to produce Carolina Calling in partnership with Come Hear NC, a campaign from the North Carolina Department of Natural & Cultural Resources designed to celebrate North Carolinians’ contribution to the canon of American music.

Photo Credit: Ebru Yildiz

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BGS Top 50 Moments: Shout & Shine

It was late 2016 when the world first learned of North Carolina’s HB2 – the “bathroom bill” – prohibiting trans folk from using bathrooms and locker rooms that aligned with their gender identity. The International Bluegrass Music Association was having its conference in Raleigh that autumn, and we at BGS were feeling restless about wanting to do something at the conference to create a safe space for marginalized artists who were already not feeling welcome at the annual event. And thus the first ever Shout & Shine was conceived and held at the Pour House in Raleigh on September 27, 2016.

In the years since its inception, Shout & Shine has taken on multiple forms – from a one-night showcase, to a day-long stage, to an ongoing editorial column and video series on the BGS homepage, Shout & Shine continues to create a dedicated space for diverse and underrepresented talent in the roots music world.

“Shout & Shine began with a simple mission, to create a space for marginalized and underrepresented folks in bluegrass to be celebrated for who they are, unencumbered by their identities,” explained Shout & Shine co-creator Justin Hiltner. “Since 2016, it’s grown into so much more but above all else, it continues to be exactly what we created it to be first and foremost: a community. Our Shout & Shine community demonstrates that these roots music genres are for everyone; they always have been and they will be in the future, too.”

Past lineups have included Amythyst Kiah, Nic Gareiss, Kaia Kater, Alice Gerrard, Jackie Venson, Lakota John, The Ebony Hillbillies, Cathy Fink & Marcy Marxer, Yasmin Williams, and many more.

You can read about the first Shout & Shine event from 2016 here and more Shout & Shine video sessions and features here.