Today we have one of my favorite couples on Only Vans! Michael is currently Pat Green’s drummer and also has a solo artist career. Michaela is the creator and artist behind More Than Music Creations. We talk about losing brain space, being parents, and their unique side hustle.
On this edition of Only Vans, my friend Michael Kelton met Kyle and I on the RV when his wife, Michaela – you heard that right, their names are Michael and Michaela – also walked up. She is one of my dear friends, so I invited her to sit down and be a bonus guest on Michael’s episode of the podcast. Michael is currently the drummer for established Texas legend Pat Green (who also had a national hit with the song “Wave on Wave”), but Michael does a lot more than just drum for Pat. I loved talking to him about his Sideman Song Swap show, where “sidemen” such as drummers, guitarists, fiddle players, and even tour managers showcase their own “frontman” talents alongside Michael. It’s very impressive.
Michaela, meanwhile, is a master upcycler and has found a way to take used guitar strings from a bunch of bands – including my own – and turn them into one-of-a-kind jewelry items that we can sell at our merch tables with some of the profit going back to a good cause.
Oh! And the carbon monoxide alarm goes off at the end of the episode in the RV and it is loud. Super sorry about that, my deepest apologies, but I’m warning you now in case you’re driving. It’s also kind of funny! Enjoy!
Artist:Emily Rose & the Rounders Hometown: Los Angeles, California Latest Release: “Too Much Too” (single) Personal Nicknames (or rejected band names): Steve from Pink Mountaintops/Black Mountain calls me E.R., which I like. He’s the only person who calls me that.
Which artist has influenced you the most and how?
I think probably Gram Parsons has been my biggest influence. When I was first learning to sing and play guitar, I would pretty much just play his songs. The earliest incarnation of what would sort of morph into the Rounders was actually a Gram Parsons cover band called the Kickers, where I sang and played drums. Then I started to sort of want to try to write my own material.
[Gram was] an LA guy, his voice is so sweet and sad and his songs are just heartbreaking. I also used to have these wild dreams when I was like 18 or so, where he and I would be driving around in a car, talking. They were recurring and it was very sweet. I’ve just always adored him.
What’s your favorite memory from being on stage?
Definitely playing and singing with Willie Nelson at Austin City Limits. Can’t really top that.
What’s the most difficult creative transformation you’ve ever undertaken?
When I left Ty [Segall’s] band, I really didn’t know what I was doing. I had been playing drums with him since I was 20 years old and I found myself at 27 with a repetitive injury that was making it so that I couldn’t really play drums anymore like I used to. It really messed with me psychologically on the last few Ty and Mikal Cronin tours and I started having stage fright, too, which I had never had before.
Since the crowds were getting bigger than ever, the judgment on my abilities was getting more fierce and I was taking it to heart in a very serious way. I don’t pay much attention to reviews or trolls online anymore, but at the time I really would and all of this was compounding in this really difficult way. I was sort of unsure if I would ever make music again or want to be in the public eye in any way.
Eventually, I sort of just committed to trying to do what I had wanted to do all along, but never had the guts to – which was writing and singing and making country music. Thankfully, I had some encouraging friends and a friend in particular who sat with me many nights a week, teaching me guitar. We’d harmonize together and stuff, and play almost-secret shows out of town and around LA until we had a fully realized thing going on. It was one of the scariest pivots I’ve ever made, but it really changed my life to sort of take the reins and figure out how to express myself musically again and to have fun doing it again. Country music is so cathartic, too, so it was really freeing to share a lot of the growing pains and to turn it into something really positive and productive.
If you didn’t work in music, what would you do instead?
I think I’d want to do something with dogs – maybe I’d be a vet or something or work for a dog rescue? I’m a big dog fan.
I also got certified as a domestic violence and sexual assault advocate over lockdown and volunteer for a non-profit that helps try to arrange housing, healthcare, legal services, etc., for those who need it. That’s something I’d like to be more involved with as well.
If you were a color, what shade would you be – and why?
I think black would be a natural answer, since I basically almost exclusively wear black. But actually, I’ve always thought and been told that my aura was blue!
Drummers don’t always get a lot of love or attention. But, mention the name Jeff Sipe to nearly any musician and their eyes light up. Also known as Apartment Q258, he was a founding member of Aquarium Rescue Unit with Colonel Bruce Hampton (which also counted Otiel Burbridge of Dead & Company and Jimmy Herring of Widespread Panic among its members). I first heard him via early Leftover Salmon bootlegs and he’s toured with Tedeschi Trucks Band, Trey Anastasio, and Warren Haynes. Regarded as one of the best drummers alive, he’s also just a normal guy who lives down the street from me and who says “yes” pretty much any time I ask him to join me on a gig. Words really don’t do him justice; he’s just so wonderful and kind and supportive; I can hardly believe my good fortune getting to make music with him.
This episode was recorded live at 185 King Street in Brevard, North Carolina on April 4th, 2023.
Timestamps:
0:06 – Soundbyte 0:42 – Intro 2:15 – Intro by Bill K. 3:26 – “Mercy, Mercy, Mercy” 10:37 – “A Little Too Much” 16:00 – “I Am A Pilgrim” 22:30 – “Once I Knew You” 29:17 – Interview 46:10 – “Summertime” 48:30 – “Minor Blues” 55:34 – “Back Home” 1:01:50 – Outro
Editor’s Note: The Travis Book Happy Hour is hosted by Travis Book of the GRAMMY Award-winning band, The Infamous Stringdusters. The show’s focus is musical collaboration and conversation around matters of being. The podcast includes highlights from Travis’s interviews and music from each live show recorded in Brevard, North Carolina.
The Travis Book Happy Hour is brought to you by Thompson Guitars and is presented by Americana Vibes and The Bluegrass Situation as part of the BGS Podcast Network. You can find the Travis Book Happy Hour on Instagram and Facebook and online at thetravisbookhappyhour.com.
Artist:Zephaniah OHora Hometown: Brooklyn, New York Latest album:Listening to the Music Personal nicknames (or rejected band names): Zeph
What was the first moment that you knew you wanted to be a musician?
I must have been 5 or 6 years old the first time I saw a Zildjian cymbal. A drummer named Ed Nicholas who played in the house band on Sundays at the church I grew up in preferred that brand. I was drawn to it because it had a big Z on it. I thought he was just the coolest. He always wore a pressed shirt tucked in and a nice pair of slacks. He had that hip easygoing, cool jazz drummer presence about him, and that’s when I decided that music was it.
What’s your favorite memory from being on stage?
One of the more recent memories on stage is when I performed at Neal Casal’s ‘There’s a Reward’ Memorial show at The Capitol Theatre in Port Chester, N.Y. It’s a stage that so many incredible bands and artists have performed on. Legendary shows that have gone down in history. And it’s a beautiful old theatre. So thinking about all those people who’d been on that stage and singing a tune to honor my friend Neal in front of a packed house was really something else.
What’s the toughest time you ever had writing a song? I’ve had a few tough times.
Some songs just can’t be written down fast enough. And other songs you labor over for weeks or months. In most recent memory is the song “All American Singer” off my new record. It was to me one of the most important songs I’ve written. There’s a couple ways to interpret that tune and it was important to me that it said what I felt needed to be said. Unlike a righteous Twitter post that you often see these days, it’s a recorded song. There’s no way to delete it or alter your ideas. It’s permanent. So it was important to make sure my thoughts were coherent within the song.
Which elements of nature do you spend the most time with and how do those impact your work?
I haven’t been spending a lot of time in nature. Sadly. I live in New York City so nature is scarce. However I am around an incredible amount of architectural history and beauty. There’s so much to see here, and so much you could walk right past and never pay any mind to. And then one day you finally stop to admire something you’ve passed by many times and realize there are so many stories within that building or space. I think that’s also simultaneously an analogy for life. I’m always trying to tap into some collective shared experience in my writing. I think architecture is a reflection or expression of human experiences and history so it directly shapes my work.
If you had to write a mission statement for your career, what would it be?
The mission I’m on is to create those moments in music live or recorded when you get chills or feel as though the narrator in the song is singing about your own life experience. It’s a lofty goal and one that’s pursued by many. That’s part of my greater goal of connecting with people and understanding my own unique experience in this life. And music is a great vehicle for that.
Artist: Nathan Bowles Hometown: Suffolk, VA Latest Album:Whole & Cloven Personal Nicknames: Van name has been "Bowlesy" for a while now, thanks to Jim Elkington.
What was the first record you ever bought with your own money? Pearl Jam's Versus, Genesis' I Can't Dance, or Michael Jackson's Bad. I can't remember.
How many unread emails or texts currently fill your inbox? 0 on all fronts because I stay on top of my shit like an adult.
If your life were a movie, which songs would be on the soundtrack? Just the Bob James "Taxi" theme on repeat.
What brand of jeans do you wear? Whatever fits right.
What's your favorite word? It might be "word," actually, based on how many times a day I say it.
If you were a liquor, what would you be? Drunk
Fate or free will? Same diff
Cake or pie? Hot pepper chocolate pie from Arnold's
Sunrise or sunset? Gulf Coast sunset
Photo credit: Brad Bunyea
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