Basic Folk – Hanneke Cassel

Fiddler Hanneke Cassel has been a big Celtic star for decades and comes to the pod to try and teach me the difference between Irish and Scottish music. Just kidding all you Hanneke-heads! But seriously, she helps me keep some things straight. She’s been fusing all different styles of music for a long time and her latest album Infinite Brightness weaves her signature flowing Celtic style along with traces of Americana, old-time (but she tells me she’s not an old-time or a bluegrass player), a hint of classical, and maybe even Texas Swing, which was how she first started on the fiddle. Well, she actually started playing classical and found it hard to read music, but eventually discovered a fiddling competition and fell in love with the instrument.

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In our conversation, Hanneke reflects back on her youthful playing and how she decided to go to Berklee College of Music in Boston. Once there and along with Laura Cortese and Lissa Schneckenburger, she was at the forefront of a fiddle revolution that continues to this day in New England. She talks about her teachers who connected her to the music she loves most, the importance of encouragement from her peers and the inspiration for her to do the same for the next generation. Also, there are lots of Matt Smith references in this episode, so if you are not familiar: Matt Smith runs the historic Club Passim in Harvard Square, Cambridge and is the center point for many touring and New England folk musicians. There is no one like Hanneke! Her new album is a delight and I’m so happy to have her on the pod!


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WATCH: Josie Toney, “City Girl Blues”

Artist: Josie Toney
Hometown: Olympia, Washington
Song: “City Girl Blues”
Album: Extra
Release Date: April 7, 2023
Label: Like You Mean It Records

In Their Words: “‘City Girl Blues’ was one of the last tracks written for the album, Extra, which was recorded in summer of 2020. From 2018-2020 I lived in Boston, by far the biggest city I had really experienced, and I loved being in school there. Between the hustle to and from class, riding the T, and the endless things to do in a big city, the longing for wilderness was only a distant nagging feeling until I graduated in December of 2019.

“I was already starting to feel claustrophobic when the stifling weight of the COVID pandemic hit the city, and all the things I loved about it vanished. Suddenly all I could think about were the skyscraper evergreens and endless tides of my home on the Puget Sound of Washington State, and it started to feel like between class, networking, and gigging, maybe I’d ‘paid my dues’ in the city and I was ready to make a home somewhere green.

“This brought me to Nashville, where I now very happily live on two acres of my very own; I even managed to find property with a couple of evergreen firs to stand beneath when I miss home. Extra is full of themes like home and the search for belonging, and ‘City Girl Blues’ addresses the particular affinity we have for whatever environment we grew up in — whether it’s the Smoky Mountains, the Mississippi River, or Washington State, where the water meets the woods.” — Josie Toney


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WATCH: Alice Howe, “Love Has No Rules”

Artist: Alice Howe
Hometown: Los Angeles by way of Boston
Song: “Love Has No Rules”
Album: Circumstance
Release Date: April 21, 2023

In Their Words: “‘Love Has No Rules’ is a song about following your truth in love and life, setting aside others’ expectations and judgments. It’s about trusting yourself, and listening to that deep, internal knowledge that guides you to what is right for you. In both the writing and the singing of this song, I had to tap into my power, and I’m so proud of the vocal that you hear on this recording. As my producer, arranger, and co-writer, Freebo brought his unique musical sensibility to this song, helping me take it from a sweet ballad, which is how I originally envisioned it, to an infectious track with an ’80s-style groove. ‘Love Has No Rules’ is a strong statement both lyrically and musically, and it’s representative of the collaborative nature of this entire album.” — Alice Howe


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WATCH: Maura Shawn Scanlin, “Nuala’s Tune”

Artist: Maura Shawn Scanlin
Hometown: Based in Boston, Massachusetts; from Boone, North Carolina
Song: “Nuala’s Tune”
Album: Maura Shawn Scanlin
Release Date: May 5, 2023

In Their Words: “We recorded this track out in the Catskills of New York at a beautiful studio called Spillway Sounds at the end of September, with Eli Crews engineering. I was really lucky to be joined by Owen Marshall on bouzouki and Conor Hearn on guitar — some of my favorite musicians ever! We had a sweet day at the studio recording this tune and one other that will also be on the album, and our friend Dylan Ladds came out to shoot a video for this track during the golden hour. The name for this tune comes from a very sweet and very energetic dog named Nuala! This is the first single from my upcoming album and I am so excited to share it. Thank you for listening and watching this video! I hope you enjoy the music.” — Maura Shawn Scanlin


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LISTEN: Izzy Heltai, “Running Out”

Artist: Izzy Heltai
Hometown: Boston, now Nashville
Single: “Running Out”
Release Date: February 24, 2023

In Their Words: “‘Running Out’ is a song about feeling lucky for the first time maybe ever. I know that sounds pretty dramatic, but if I’m not allowed to be dramatic in my songs then I don’t know when I ever will be. I had felt stuck for a while and when I wrote ‘Running Out’ I was beginning to feel like the tides were turning in my favor; things were happening, I was excited. ‘Running Out’ was written primarily as a tool for me to try and stay present in the good things that were beginning to happen. Ironically, I’m releasing a song that mentions both ‘running’ and ‘good luck’ in the same week I literally broke my hip.” — Izzy Heltai


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BGS 5+5: Mark Erelli

Artist: Mark Erelli
Hometown: Melrose, Massachusetts
Latest Album: Lay Your Darkness Down
Personal nicknames (or rejected band names): Oh man, I don’t really have any! The only nicknames I had were in elementary school, where kids would taunt me with adjectives that rhyme with “Erelli.” I’m sure you can come up with all the permutations on your own. I’ve always been a solo artist, so I don’t have any rejected band names, either. I feel like I’m letting a lot of people down with this particular answer!

Which artist has influenced you the most … and how?

At heart, I’m just a really big music fan, so I’ve thought a lot about my influences and how they’ve changed over the years. I think most of us start out trying to follow in the footsteps of our musical heroes, typically bigger, established artists from a different time. I was no different in my early years but, truthfully, the longer I do this, the less those early heroes tend to matter to me in terms of conscious influence. And the music business that helped those artists become so influential is gone for good. So the artists that have deeply influenced me for a long time now are my friends, peers I have worked alongside, seeing firsthand how they manage their art and their careers.

It’s hard to pick the friend that has had the most profound influence, but I have learned more than I can really articulate from Lori McKenna. We met in 1996 when we both lost the same songwriting contest, came up through the Boston scene together, I’ve produced some of her albums, and played in her band since 2005. I’ve had a chance to see the choices she’s made throughout every stage of her storied career—before she even had a ‘career’—and I find her journey to be extremely inspiring and educational. Lori’s consistent friendship and generosity have been a real north star for me, and she’s a big part of my new album Lay Your Darkness Down, having written a wonderful song together and singing harmony on the title track.

What’s your favorite memory from being on stage?

About a decade ago, I opened for Darrell Scott one night in Portland, Maine. I had played the room several times on my own, but I campaigned for the gig just so I could meet Darrell and let him know I’d been a big fan of his for years. I was convinced I’d come on a bit too strong at soundcheck, endlessly proclaiming my love of obscure independent records that he’d played on in the ’90s, but I was later humbled to see that he was watching my set.

When he took the stage for his headlining set, he said, “We’re gonna do something a little different tonight. Instead of just me up here playing one long solo set, I’m going to do a short set, we’ll take a quick break, then Mark and I will come back up together, trading songs until we feel like stopping, like an old-fashioned Nashville guitar pull.” He hadn’t mentioned this plan to me before he went on, so I was just floored. But that’s what we did. I think we played for 90 minutes or so, the whole night of music approaching three hours of music in total, a marathon that no one had even asked for! To have a musical hero invite me into a space where we were both completely in service to the songs, supporting each other as equals, was just an incredible gift. I’ll never forget it.

What rituals do you have, either in the studio or before a show?

Two words: vocal warmups. This is not a sexy ritual, but I cannot stress enough how regularly warming my voice up for 15-20 minutes before a show or a recording session has changed my life. I’ve always been a decent singer, I guess, but since I’ve been warming up regularly before shows I find that I can sing at the level of proficiency I strive to perform at, for longer, and with far less emotional distress about being able to keep it up night after night. The whiskey you think you need before you go on stage is not doing you any favors, it just makes you care less about how you sound. The vocal warmups I do have helped make singing a more physically enjoyable experience for me, and the sooner you start the more it’s going to help you. I know, I didn’t listen either when I was in my 20s and 30s and people told me to warm up my voice. But if I could go back and change one thing it would be to have started this ritual far earlier in my career.

What’s the toughest time you ever had writing a song?

I think the toughest part of ‘writing a song’ isn’t really the writing itself, it’s the observations, experiences, and realizations that ultimately lead me to the point where I feel compelled to sit down and write about something, to try and make sense of it. The songs on my new album Lay Your Darkness Down were largely written in the wake of being diagnosed with a degenerative retinal disease (retinitis pigmentosa) that is slowly causing me to go blind. The songs that weren’t directly inspired by my RP diagnosis were written against the backdrop of a global pandemic, and the profound hits to what serves double duty as my livelihood and spiritual practice.

Those were just extremely tough times, and for a while songwriting just felt like a very ineffectual tool for dealing with them. Thankfully, the practice gradually came back to me, and it ultimately became something that helped me process what I was going through. I have to thank friends like Mary Bragg, Anthony da Costa, Matt Nathanson, and Lori McKenna, who all co-wrote remotely with me over Zoom during the pandemic and helped me sidestep some of the loneliness and isolation I was feeling. The writing is often fun and exciting, it’s living a life worth writing about that’s the tough part.

How often do you hide behind a character in a song or use “you” when it’s actually “me”?

I think I do this an awful lot. I will frequently consider myself to be writing a song from the perspective of a character, only to find out at some point after the fact that there is perhaps an uncomfortable amount of “me” in the song’s protagonist. This realization can take years, and I think it’s just a simple truth that the songs often get there before I do, and they wait patiently for me to catch up. Even when I am writing from a first-person perspective, I’m often portraying myself and my motivations as I’d like them to be, and maybe not as they actually are. I often use songwriting to envision what’s possible, instead of cataloging things as they are. In that way, I like to think that my songs can be inspiring and stir hope, not just for others, but for me too.


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LISTEN: Frances Luke Accord, “All the Things”

Artist: Frances Luke Accord
Hometown: South Bend, Indiana (Brian Powers), Boston & Chicago (Nicholas Gunty)
Song: “All the Things”
Album: Safe in Sound
Release Date: February 9, 2023
Label: Two-Dale Records/Tone Tree Music

In Their Words: “A song that speaks to the heart of our indie/folk/bluegrass/pop sensibilities, ‘All the Things’ is a playful but heartfelt ode to boundless love and companionship. Made with help from Don Mitchell (banjo, percussion, harmonium, production) of Darlingside, this happy-go-lucky tune is a warm ray of sunshine on our sophomore LP, Safe in Sound. Written during the dark days of COVID lockdown, we crafted the lyrics in a way that (we hope!) begs the listener to stay unabashedly hopeful and CONNECTED; for at the end of the day, our perspective on suffering — coupled with our ability to discuss it in an honest and open way with others — will determine its grip on us. We hope you like it as much as we enjoyed writing it!” — Brian Powers & Nicholas Gunty, Frances Luke Accord


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BGS Wraps: Jessye DeSilva, “Solstice Hymn”

Artist: Jessye DeSilva
Hometown: Boston, Massachusetts
Song: “Solstice Hymn”

In Their Words: “I wrote ‘Solstice Hymn’ in December 2020, during the first COVID-era holiday season. Produced by Alex Calabrese of Old Tom & The Lookouts, I wanted the track to be sparse, but warm — a sort of lullaby to those of us who struggle during this season with loss, loneliness, and mental health challenges. In addition to lyrical nods to Christina Rossetti’s ‘In the Bleak Midwinter’ and Judy Garland’s ‘Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas,’ I included a few words and images I’d crowdsourced on my social media. In production, Alex and I knew we wanted our friend Cecilia Vacanti to lend her eclectic influences to the track — particularly, references to Scottish and New England folk styles. Coupled with thick, dissonant harmonies, my hope is that the resulting track feels sort of timeless and almost like an ancient pagan hymn to the passing of seasons. Although the song may feel melancholy, my overarching message is one of hope: the light IS coming back and we CAN make it through this.” — Jessye DeSilva

WATCH: Kalos, “Fare Thee Well”

Artist: Kalos
Hometowns: Tacoma, Washington/Boston, Massachusetts
Song: “Fare Thee Well”
Album: Headland
Release Date: Spring 2023

In Their Words: “‘Fare Thee Well,’ or ‘10,000 Miles,’ is a classic traditional lullaby that has been popular and widely sung for many decades. One notable version, and initial inspiration for our version, comes from the great singer Nic Jones. Late one night at home, I was trying to play and sing as quietly as possible in the bathroom so as not to wake my sleeping baby. The resulting dreamlike quality was evident when I played it for Ryan & Jeremiah, and we keep that quality in our arrangement. We all three live in different parts of the world, and have families with children at home; when we travel, it can feel like we’re 10,000 miles from something we love. So we take comfort in this song. It also became something like an anthem to us during the isolation of the pandemic and has become one of our favorite tracks from our new album.” — Eric McDonald, Kalos


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Basic Folk – Lissa Schneckenburger

Known as one of the foremost fiddlers of her generation, Lissa Schneckenburger‘s latest release is a huge left turn for the Vermont resident. Thunder In My Arms is unique because Lissa is not only singing her own compositions, but the subject matter is hugely personal. The album chronicles her experiences adopting her son. Through the fostering and adoption process, she came across resources, workshops and books, but no music that specifically was about this experience. Since she processes hard things through music, she decided to step up and create this album for her family and for those in the adoption and fostering communities. Lissa thrives and lives in community through music, so creating and reaching out to this new community came as second nature.

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Born and raised in rural Maine, Lissa grew up around music and started on the fiddle at five years old. She competed in fiddle competitions, went to Maine Fiddle Camp and the much revered Valley of the Moon Camp in Northern California. Arriving in Boston for school at New England Conservatory of Music, she found herself among a familiar group of musicians that she’d grown up with at the camps. She teamed up with Laura Cortese, Hanneke Cassel and Flynn Cohen to form the seminal Boston fiddle group Halali, which inspired so many young players and ignited a fiddle renaissance in town. Since then, she has released solo albums and been a part of groups like Low Lily. She now lives in Brattleboro, Vermont with her son and her husband, in-demand upright bassist Corey DiMario (Crooked Still). Lissa has a new fiddle album on the way in 2023, which you can pre-order right from the lady herself. Enjoy Lissa!


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Photo Credit: Lissa Schneckenburger