Unearthed Jean Ritchie Concert from 1960 Shows a Fun Side of the “Mother of Folk”

If you’ve heard the songs “Shady Grove” or “Black is the Color,” it’s likely because of Jean Ritchie. Now, thanks to a recording that had been lost for decades, Jean Ritchie’s voice can be heard in a new way. A rare, high-fidelity recording of one of Ritchie’s concerts from 1960 is now available, and it may contain some of her last renditions of songs whose places she solidified in the folk music canon.

Born in 1922, Ritchie was a prolific source singer who memorized over three hundred songs over the course of her life, mostly during her childhood in Viper, Kentucky. The term “source singer” refers to someone who learns songs orally and organically (as opposed to from a book or recording), and Jean Ritchie fits the bill; for example, she was one of the primary sources for Alan Lomax’s Folk Songs of North America. She was, however, far more than a source singer. She was a storyteller, folk song collector, musicologist, songwriter, and engaging performer, as the newly unearthed performance demonstrates.

In 1960, Ritchie was invited to perform at the University of Indiana by folklorist and musician Ellen Stekert. At the time, the Bloomington-based school had an illustrious graduate folklore studies program, meaning that many of the students in attendance had likely heard of Ritchie. Stekert organized for the concert to be recorded and then released it on her radio program on WFIU, The World of Folk Music. For the next sixty years, the reel-to-reel tapes gathered dust in Stekert’s impressive folk music archive.

In July, those recordings were rediscovered and released thanks in part to Ross Wylde, Stekert’s producer, who mixed and remastered the recordings. As a teenager, Wylde had started a YouTube channel called “Swingin’ Pig” (a reference to the bootleg label that released music from many popular musicians, including Bob Dylan). Originally, the channel focused on Dylan recordings, but Wylde has recently expanded his mission. The channel, which is the home of the newly unearthed Jean Ritchie concert, now has a description that reads, “Dedicated to the preservation and accessibility of rare music.”

Stekert, 91, was a contemporary of Ritchie’s, and has this to say about the iconic performer: “Jean Ritchie wasn’t just authentic; she was special, a singular artist who bridged two worlds and left them both infinitely richer. She was a brilliant ambassador who combined the traditional world she grew up in with an ever-changing commercial market.”

The stereotype of a source singer is someone who is poor, lives in a remote rural area, and has no knowledge of the music industry. While Ritchie may have grown up in a poor rural area, as Stekert’s words suggest, she was savvy when it came to the complexities of performing folk music for a modern audience. At one point during the 1960 concert, Ritchie discusses an appearance she had recently made at Cooper Union in New York City, where she had to follow the Tarriers, a group of folk singers who embellished folk songs with multiple key changes and elaborate harmonies. Ritchie said that, hearing the complexity of their arrangements, she was tempted to go back home to Kentucky, sit on the porch and “wait for you all to come down and collect me.” Ritchie recognized that in a musical world filled with groups like the Tarriers, her simple arrangements stuck out, and she navigated her unusual place in the musical world with a healthy dose of humor and self-awareness.

The 1960 concert is split into two parts. In the first half, Ritchie talks about her childhood and sings songs that she learned from her family. The Ritchies were hillside farmers in a town of about 350 people. As the youngest of fourteen children (and one of eleven girls, a fact that she comically bemoans before launching into a song nicknamed “The Ritchie Old Maid Song”), Ritchie believed that everyone lived like her. She thought that everyone sang the “old songs from the old countries” as their primary form of entertainment.

The Ritchie family repertoire was diverse. The first half of the concert features story ballads, lively party songs, and melancholy tunes. Ritchie introduces her audience to the concept of “Play Party Songs,” which had accompanying games that the singers would play. The games looked a lot like dancing… and that’s because the church forbade dancing but encouraged games. One of the songs, “The Little Devils,” was an “anti-work” song that the Ritchie children would use to trick their father into extending their break from shucking corn, knowing that he couldn’t resist a good song.

Ritchie’s biting wit shines in her rendition of “The Little Devils.” She asks for some audience participation and responds to the underwhelming result with “Pretty puny, but I guess you’ll catch on.”

The second half of the concert reflects the kind of programming contained in Ritchie’s Field Trip album. In 1952, Ritchie received a Fulbright scholarship to travel to the British Isles and discover whether or not people were still singing the songs that she had grown up with. With her husband, George Pickow, she collected English, Irish and Scottish ballads with strong connections to the Appalachian songs she had grown up with. In Field Trip, she paired the American versions of songs with the versions she had collected across the Atlantic.

For her University of Indiana audience, Ritchie demonstrated the similarities in tune or lyrics in song pairings such as “Old King Cole”/“As I Roved Out” and “I Know Where I’m Going”/“Lichtbob’s Lassie.” Her musical analysis is compelling, though she claims that she’s trying not to get too “scholarly” and claims, “I’m not really educating you; you can draw your own conclusions.”

In addition to the 80-minute concert, Stekert has released rare photographs of Ritchie from her collection. The five images show Ritchie in the airport, wearing a thick coat with a fur collar (“Your cool weather’s got into my [dulcimer],” she accuses the audience at one point). The photographs, which are available to view or purchase, show different sides to Ritchie that are already evident from her performance. In one shot, she’s pensive. In a couple others, she seems to be a step away from laughter. In one enigmatic photo, it’s unclear if she’s winking, wincing, glaring, or playing around. This is the woman who went from hill farmer to Fulbright scholar. A woman who remembered hundreds of existing ballads and then contributed her own songs to an enduring tradition (for example, “The L&N Don’t Stop Here Anymore”). A woman who erased the line between rustic source singer and professional musician and influenced countless musicians, including Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Judy Collins.

This once-lost 1960 concert illuminates the reasons why Ritchie’s voice and work captivated the folk revival and makes it clear how much of an impact she’s had on traditional folk performance and scholarship today.


Photo Credit: Ellen Stekert

Folk Files: Beat the Drum Slowly

The Anglo-Irish ballad “The Unfortunate Lad,” the cowboy classic “Streets of Laredo,” and the blues song “St. James Infirmary” are often considered different versions of the same song. But it’s possible that this categorization was influenced by careless and dubious scholarship. In addition to examining the relationship between these different songs, this episode of Folk Files looks at how these ballads (#2 in the Roud Folk Song Index) functioned as PSAs that educated listeners about public health concerns. (Content note: this episode discusses STIs).

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Folk Files: I Got the Blues

According to many textbooks, the blues is a genre that was born in the rural Mississippi Delta with roots in the “sorrow songs” of enslaved people. It’s easy, however, to poke holes in this origin story and instead start to see the blues as a joyful, rebellious musical expression that formed in an urban environment.

In this episode of Folk Files, we’ll take a look at different theories about the origin of the blues, separate fact from fiction, and uncover the reason why the Mississippi Delta narrative was promoted so strongly.

(Content warning: this episode has occasional explicit language and sexual references.)

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Folk Files: There Was Two Brothers

Whereas “The Two Sisters” murder ballad is a complete, coherent story, “Two Brothers” is messy. What’s the motive? Who are these brothers? Who kills whom?

In this episode of Folk Files, we search for the answers to these questions… and discover a dark hypothesis for why the story is so vague.

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Folk Files by Olivia Harding to Join BGS Podcast Network

The BGS team is excited to announce yet another addition to the BGS Podcast Network lineup for 2026, after both The Other 22 Hours and the Working Songwriter came on board earlier this year. On June 19, 2026 beloved folk music podcast Folk Files, hosted and created by Olivia Harding, will begin a new season as part of the BGS family. This makes the third new podcast to join BGS in 2026 and the 15th show to partner with or be produced or distributed by the BGS Podcast Network.

Founded in 2023, Harding began Folk Files as a podcast seeking to uncover “the mysteries of folk music through the ages.” Each episode dives deep into the tangled history of murder ballads, sea shanties, rebel songs, and other music that has withstood the test of time. Folk Files provides context, history, and insight into songs we all know and love – and fresh discoveries and deep cuts, too. Episodes will be released once a month on every third Friday beginning on June 19, 2026, with an episode examining a child ballad, “Two Brothers,” and stories of fratricide from around the world. The episode will also discuss the importance of nomadic communities when it comes to the folk process and song collecting. (Find where to listen and subscribe here.)

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“When I first started Folk Files, the Bluegrass Situation was an amazing resource full of interviews, articles, and audio that proved invaluable while I was researching my earliest episodes,” Harding says about the announcement. “I never would have guessed that within a couple years, BGS would become my podcast’s new home. I am so excited and grateful to have joined a network of such passionate, supportive people.”

Cindy Howes, director of the BGS Podcast Network and host of Basic Folk, also gushed about the new partnership: “We have been quietly freaking out over Folk Files for some time now. The way Olivia presents and untangles the mysteries and backstories of folk music had us hooked from the jump. We are overjoyed to welcome this wonderful show to our network.”

With BGS’s longtime focus on roots music, culture, and traditions, Folk Files will certainly feel right at home on the BGS Podcast Network. Before the show resumes with BGS on June 19, Harding shared with us five recommended episodes from the Folk Files archives so readers and subscribers can catch up on the show in preparation. Subscribe now so you don’t miss a thing and dive into the full show archive (above) or Harding’s five recommended episodes (below) to celebrate the addition of Folk Files to the BGS Podcast Network.

The Music of Temple Bar (Episode #3.3)

In 2026’s St. Patrick’s Day episode, Folk Files asks the question: Is it actually Irish? Explore over thirty songs that are performed in Irish contexts and see if they actually come from Irish sources. Along the way, we’ll discuss the Rising of 1798, the history of Dublin, the Great Famine, and the Irish diaspora.


Stand and Deliver (Episode #2.8)

Robbers, bandits, highwaymen – there are a lot of English folk songs about outlaws. In this episode of Folk Files, we look at why there are so many songs about criminals and what patterns exist in these ballads. Then, we look at “Robbers’ Retreat” in an attempt to figure out why the song (also known as “Cadgwith Anthem”) doesn’t seem to follow any of those patterns.


Peaches in the Summertime (Episode #8)

“Shady Grove” is an Appalachian folk song that is often linked to the English ballad “Matty Groves.” But what is the actual relationship between them? This episode of Folk Files discusses the meaning and history of “Shady Grove” and untangles the origins of the two iconic songs.


Haul Away (Episode #4)

This episode of Folk Files traces the roots of popular sea shanties to Black work songs and African folk traditions.


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Wasn’t That A Time: Post-Revival Folk

Editor’s Note: On September 27, 2025, the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame in partnership with the Bruce Springsteen Archives and Center for American Music held a collaborative symposium entitled Wasn’t That A Time: The Boston Folk Revival 1958-1965. Over the course of the day, attendees at the Arrow Street Arts Center in Cambridge, Massachusetts, enjoyed sessions and panels on such subjects as Club 47, Joan Baez, Bob Dylan at Newport Folk Fest, a conversation with Peter Wolf, and much more. The symposium programming was captured and filmed, and over the last few weeks we’ve shared select sessions with our audience right here on BGS. We hope you’ve enjoyed learning more about how Boston was at the epicenter of the folk revival in the ’50s and ’60s. 

Our fourth and final installment focuses on the state of folk today, “Post-Revival Folk.” Watch above, learn more below. (Watch the first video in the series here. Watch the second in the series here. Watch the third in the series here.)

“Post-Revival Folk”

Speakers: Deana McCloud (moderator), Tom Paxton, Ralph Jaccodine, Ellis Paul, Jim Brown

About the Video: After the Folk Revival era, how has “folk” changed? What were the pivotal moments and artists who influenced these changes, while continuing the traditions of folk? What do you see as today’s folk scene and why is it still relevant?

“… Sadly, this is our last panel of the day. I say ‘sadly,’ because I’ve enjoyed and learned so much today and I hope all of you have, too. I hope that if we do this again that you all will come again, because it’s been such a great day for this community.

“Our final session today is on ‘Post-Revival Folk’ and it will be moderated by Deana McCloud and she’ll be speaking with Ralph Jaccodine, Ellis Paul, Tom Paxton, and Jim Brown. Enjoy!” – Casey Soward, President and CEO of the Boch Center


Check out the latest exhibits and events happening at the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame here. Learn about the 2025 inductees to the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame here.

Wasn’t That A Time: Dylan Goes Electric at Newport ’65

Editor’s Note: On September 27, 2025, the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame in partnership with the Bruce Springsteen Archives and Center for American Music held a collaborative symposium entitled Wasn’t That A Time: The Boston Folk Revival 1958-1965. Over the course of the day, attendees at the Arrow Street Arts Center in Cambridge, Massachusetts, enjoyed sessions and panels on such subjects as Club 47, Joan Baez, Bob Dylan at Newport Folk Fest, a conversation with Peter Wolf, and much more. The symposium programming was captured and filmed, and over the course of the next few weeks we’ll be sharing select sessions with our audience right here on BGS. Tune in and enjoy learning more about how Boston was at the epicenter of the folk revival in the ’50s and ’60s. 

Our third installment focuses on Dylan’s 1965 appearance at Newport Folk Festival. Watch above, learn more below. (Watch the first in the series here. Watch the second in the series here.)

“Dylan Goes Electric at Newport ’65”

Speakers: Bob Santelli (moderator), Elijah Wald, Douglas Brinkley, Jeannie Brand, Court Carney.

About the Video: When Bob Dylan traded his acoustic guitar for electric at the 1965 Newport Folk Festival, he ushered in a shift to the traditional folk scene. How did the audience and his fellow performers respond, and why? How did this change folk at the time and continue to influence the genre?

“Continuing the series from our Symposium, we tackle one of folk music’s defining moments: Dylan going electric at Newport ’65. What followed changed everything. This panel brings clarity, context, and insight to a moment that continues to shape American music.” – Casey Soward, President and CEO of the Boch Center


Check out the latest exhibits and events happening at the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame here. Learn about the 2025 inductees to the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame here.

Wasn’t That A Time: Joan Baez in Cambridge and Beyond

Editor’s Note: On September 27, 2025, the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame in partnership with the Bruce Springsteen Archives and Center for American Music held a collaborative symposium entitled Wasn’t That A Time: The Boston Folk Revival 1958-1965. Over the course of the day, attendees at the Arrow Street Arts Center in Cambridge, Massachusetts, enjoyed sessions and panels on such subjects as Club 47, Joan Baez, Bob Dylan at Newport Folk Fest, a conversation with Peter Wolf, and much more. The symposium programming was captured and filmed, and over the course of the next few weeks we’ll be sharing select sessions with our audience right here on BGS. Tune in and enjoy learning more about how Boston was at the epicenter of the folk revival in the ’50s and ’60s. 

Our second installment focuses on Joan Baez’s work in Cambridge and beyond. Watch above, learn more below. (Watch the first installment in the series here.)

“Joan Baez in Cambridge and Beyond”

Speakers: Aimee Zoeller (moderator), Betsy Siggins, Mitch Greenhill, Douglas Brinkley, Mitch Blank

About the Video: Joan Baez first played Club 47 when she was 17 and performed there every Tuesday night until her career took off at Newport Folk Festival. How did this shift from local coffeehouse performer occur, who and what were the pivotal influences on Joan and her career, and how do music archaeologists study her career?

“This panel on Joan Baez is one of the richest conversations we hosted at our September Symposium – a panel that captures Joan Baez’s artistic legacy through the voices of people who’ve both lived and studied her story up close. It’s smart, emotional, and full of perspective you won’t hear anywhere else. We’re excited to share it with BGS readers.” – Casey Soward, President and CEO of the Boch Center


Check out the latest exhibits and events happening at the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame here. Learn about the 2025 inductees to the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame here.

Wasn’t That A Time: Origins of Boston and Greenwich Folk Scenes

Editor’s Note: On September 27, 2025, the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame in partnership with the Bruce Springsteen Archives and Center for American Music held a collaborative symposium entitled Wasn’t That A Time: The Boston Folk Revival 1958-1965. Over the course of the day, attendees at the Arrow Street Arts Center in Cambridge, Massachusetts, enjoyed sessions and panels on such subjects as Club 47, Joan Baez, Bob Dylan at Newport Folk Fest, a conversation with Peter Wolf, and much more. The symposium programming was captured and filmed, and over the course of the next few weeks we’ll be sharing select sessions with our audience right here on BGS. Tune in and enjoy learning more about how Boston was at the epicenter of the folk revival in the ’50s and ’60s. 

Our first installment focuses on the origins of the folks scenes in Boston and Greenwich. Watch above, learn more below.

“Origins of Boston and Greenwich Folk Scenes”

Speakers: Melissa Ziobro (moderator), Mitch Greenhill, Jim Brown, Jim Rooney, Tom Paxton

About the Video: “Recorded at the Wasn’t That A Time: The Boston Folk Revival 1958-1965 symposium presented by the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame, ‘Origins of Boston and Greenwich Folk Scenes’ traces the beginnings of the American folk revival through the voices of those who lived it. Moderated by Melissa Ziobro, curator at the Bruce Springsteen Archives and Center for American Music, the panel features Jim Brown, Jim Rooney, Mitch Greenhill, and Tom Paxton in a wide-ranging conversation about the artists, venues, and cultural currents that gave rise to one of the most influential movements in American music.” – Casey Soward, President and CEO of the Boch Center


Check out the latest exhibits and events happening at the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame here. Learn about the 2025 inductees to the Folk Americana Roots Hall of Fame here.

John C. Reilly Is Mister Romantic

As John C. Reilly cavorts around a converted Brooklyn warehouse, his wiry hair branching heavenward, he looks a bit like a heavily rouged version of his eccentric Dr. Steve Brule. But Dr. Brule isn’t here, and neither is Reilly, in a sense. A fellow named Mister Romantic holds court instead, serenading and chatting up audience members in an effort to win their hearts. He swoons and croons, he has a microphone that looks like a rose, and he really, really wants to be loved forever, lest he be doomed to an eternity in a steamer trunk.

Reilly is the rare sort of actor whose talents span cutting dramas and gut-busting comedy antics, and underneath all of it, he’s maintained a soft spot for musical theater. Audiences have gotten a peek at that in Reilly’s Oscar-nominated embodiment of Chicago’s “Mister Cellophane,” and while he’s hammed it up as Dewey Cox in Walk Hard. He’s long nurtured his musicianship, too, with a handful of bands in his youth, a blues outfit, and his more recent cadre of bluegrass friends.

After finishing his duties as Jerry Buss in Winning Time: The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty, Reilly fixed his energy on finding some sort of remedy to the discord that he felt dominating everyday life. Mister Cellophane only got the one song, as Reilly has noted, so he drew upon more than twenty years of his own tune-collecting to develop a repertoire that felt suited to his mission and was close to his own heart. He’s pulled most of his material from the early 20th century body of the American Songbook, which Reilly expands to include a handful of Tom Waits numbers. Though Mister Romantic works a special kind of magic in person, he issued a baker’s dozen of recordings on his album What’s Not to Love? in mid-June, a more permanent evidence of his visitation.

He credits Los Angeles’ famed venue Largo with being the nexus of countless creative relationships – including Mister Romantic compatriots like David Garza, fiddler Gabe Witcher, and Sebastian Steinberg, who joins the ensemble on their recordings. The crew keep remarkably stony faces as Reilly improvises his appeals to the crowd, part of the story built around Mister Romantic’s cosmic arc: “He’s been traveling in this box for thousands of years trying to find love, and he just fails over and over. He doesn’t have a memory of the past, but the band does, and they’re stuck in this purgatory cycle with him,” Reilly says.

In chatting up different audience members between selections (“I’m not gay or straight, I’m desperate,” he offers), Reilly hopes to get everybody in the room feeling like they can open up a little bit. The songs, for Reilly, facilitate that softening in a sort of bucket-brigade through time. “‘What’ll I Do?’ could’ve been forgotten by the 1930s, but people loved that song and kept passing it along, and here I am, doing it again,” he says. “I think that’s the way to pay things forward, to pass along what you think is good.”

Now with an album release and several more Mister Romantic shows in his rearview mirror, Reilly is impassioned and reflective as he considers the value of vulnerability in a prickly modern world. His fervent belief in the fundamental goodness of human nature spills over as he shares his efforts to bring a little more love into people’s lives.

You made a point to tell your first audience participant that you weren’t bringing her up there to shame her or embarrass her, which got me thinking about how you’re watching people react to your character in real time. What has that been like for you with these performances?

John C. Reilly: It’s been a really special part of the show. I don’t know what I expected it to be when I started doing this, just kind of improvising my way through, but it’s been amazingly consistent. I say that stuff about “I’m not going to embarrass you or do anything weird” because people just don’t know what the hell the show is about, what the boundaries are. I really want to make people feel like I’m going to take care of them up there. The joke is not going to be on them.

With the audience, I’ve noticed if you really see people and the best in them, or you look for qualities that you find attractive, and you talk about them – it’s amazing the way people let down their guard and open up. It makes the whole audience feel like I’m talking directly to each one of them, even though I only get to four or five people during each show.

Have you had any reactions that have caught you off guard?

Sometimes I ask pretty heavy questions, like, “Have you ever been in love? How long did it last?” People generally want to play along, there’s no one that has ruined the interaction. People always ask me, “Are those people plants?” They’re never plants. The second thing they ask is, “Does anyone ever not cooperate?” I have to say, it’s like, 100% cooperation so far. I think part of it comes from the loving approach and the fact that I say at the beginning what the mission of the night is going to be.

It’s a really encouraging part of the show for me personally, because you really do want to believe that, in their heart of hearts, people are good. When I do this show, that is what I think when I go through the audience. I try to look at every single person directly at some point. The whole point of the show is connection – to the music, the world, to each other – and creating a live unique moment with a group of people. Whatever’s happening outside in the world is one thing, but in here, we’re all going to be connected by the end of the night.

There was a moment where you kind of scolded someone for having their phone out, but you somehow did it in the nicest way possible, where you brought it back to maintaining a connection in the moment.

I try not to even engage with what phones even are. We try to make it clear that you’re not supposed to use your phone during the show. I called that guy out just because I was surprised to see it in his hand. My point was not to say, “You broke the rules!” or get mad at him. There have been other times when people have their phones out. The point of those interactions is always to point out what’s special about this moment without a phone. When I said that, the audience almost started cheering [note: this is true]. Everyone is getting to this place where they’re starting to realize the cost of using a phone, and the separation that it creates between you and a performance or an experience.

How did Largo get to be such a major fixture in your life?

Largo has been a big part of my life since it opened in the early ’90s. It’s been a big part of my development as a singer and as a musician. I had my bluegrass band there for a long time. Mark Flanagan, who owns the place, creates such a special vibe in there, and does not allow cell phones during the shows. The audience ends up being focused in this way that’s different than other places I’ve been.

It’s kind of this temple of quality and entertainment, especially music. When I first started going to Largo, it was Jon Brion and all these different musicians moving through there – a lot of my friends who I play with now, who I played with in the past in other bands. Walk Hard, the songwriters from there – all those guys were all part of the Largo scene in one way or another. It really feels like home when I’m there, and it has its priorities right. It’s not just a place that’s about profit and selling beers, slamming them in and slamming them out. There’s a real soul to the place. I shudder to think what LA would be without Largo.

Is your bluegrass band something you think you’ll return to?

The blues, bluegrass, and this kind of show-tune world are all different aspects of me. I had a blues band before I had a bluegrass band. But I love bluegrass music, for the same reason I love all these American Songbook standards that I’m doing. That’s part of the conversation about the show that I think is really important, that Americana doesn’t just mean white Southern folk music from the 1930s.

People talk about, “What kind of category does [Mister Romantic] fit in?” To me, it’s Americana. A lot of these songs were written by Americans, and they’re not classical music. I think bluegrass definitely falls under the Americana banner, but I think songs in the American Songbook also fall under the Americana banner. Blues music falls under the banner. Why is blues music separated as African-American music? It’s part of America’s history. We should all embrace under the same umbrella.

You’ve talked about using Mister Romantic as a vehicle for getting people to open up a bit more to love and empathy. I think of romance as only one slice of the pie when it comes to loving or forms of love – why go with “romantic” as your channel into exploring empathy?

To me, romance is appreciating a beautiful sunset, or the way a flower looks or smells. Appreciating some weird little detail about a person that makes them unique, that makes you cherish them. It’s not just a Valentine’s Day card. Think about the reason that you got crushes on different people in the past. Sometimes it’s about the physical looks, but oftentimes it’s like, “Man, I just love the way that person does their art.” You crush out on people because of why they’re special. That, to me, is romantic.

On the surface of it, this guy Mister Romantic is trying to fall in love, but he doesn’t even really know what that is. He has so little experience. All he knows is, it’s a deep connection with someone else that will then stay with you forever. I’m not trying to get anyone to be anything. To me, the show is an opportunity to come together. If you’re craving connection, then you should come. I’m not trying to lecture people. I’m just pointing out the inherent truth about human beings, that we do love each other, that the secret to civilization and the reason that human beings are still around on earth is because of love.

I was seeing a lack of empathy – a coarseness to our dialogue, or a viciousness to our debate, and I thought, “Well, that’s distressing. What could I do that might lessen that?” And I decided I’ll do a show about love, and I’ll invite people to come see it, and maybe they’ll feel what I’m feeling. [Mister Romantic] is more about reminding people of what is true about us. On a good day, I think, everyone feels that people are ultimately good when the chips are down.

There’s a line from bell hooks’ All About Love about how “cynicism is the great mask of the disappointed and betrayed heart,” and when I re-read that recently, it resonated with how the crowd felt at the end of the show—like this cynical layer that a lot of us have was dissolved for a bit while we were laughing and having a good time together.

Yeah! It’s not just about me and what I’m saying. It’s also the music. The music has an alchemical effect on people that does put air in their balloons. I didn’t know that quote, but I agree with it. I say misanthropes are actually the most romantic people of all. They’re the most sensitive. They’re so sensitive that when they experience disappointment, they retreat into this place of, “Well, if it can’t be perfect, then everything is terrible.” But if you’re really truthful about the way life is, there are all these gray areas. Everyone is not an asshole. That’s a generalization. To be a true misanthrope, you’re generalizing, and not seeing what’s really there.

You have to be open to someone being a good person. I think that’s just the truth of the way things are. I do think if you’re worried and you want things to be better in the world and in your own personal life, you have to be willing to be vulnerable, and willing to reflect a world that you want to see. These things sound so rudimentary, or maybe cliché, but that’s where we’re at. We’re having to fight for empathy, to say, “Human beings have value across the board.” Human rights are at stake right now in the world. So it’s not a cliché. It’s not a thing that’s assumed to be true by everyone. These things have to be regenerated, generation after generation.

What’s something you’ve learned about yourself in the process of bringing Mister Romantic to life?

I’ve learned a lot about the courage it takes to invite people to a place and say, “I’m going to sing for you.” I had to learn what my voice is when I’m not impersonating other people. How do I sing? How do I convey my spirit through my voice? Those are big things, and making this album was a huge step. The personal journey to get yourself to believe that it’s good enough to share –that’s a big struggle for everyone, especially the first time they do it. Mister Romantic was a big step in that direction for me saying, “Whatever, I may not be the most perfect singer, but the reason that I’m singing is a good reason, and I’m going to keep doing it.”

You have to kind of have this blind faith in the mission, because there’s all kinds of slings and arrows that you can generate for yourself. But then you remember the core of it – these experiences that you have during the show, that I have from the show – and that tells you what you should be doing with yourself, what is important. If touching people the way this show touches people isn’t important, then I don’t know what is. It has given meaning to my life at a time when I was really struggling for meaning.


Make plans to meet Mister Romantic at a show near you.

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