LISTEN: Nora Brown, “Little Satchel”

Artist: Nora Brown
Hometown: Brooklyn, New York
Song: “Little Satchel”
Album: Long Time to Be Gone
Release Date: August 26, 2022
Label: Jalopy Records

In Their Words: “This is a tune I learned from both Fred Cockerham off the album High Atmosphere and also from the playing of Riley Baugus. I first listened to High Atmosphere on a visit to the album’s creator, John Cohen, up in Putnam Valley, New York, but only got around to learning it more recently. I often break my first string when I tune to this one, so I’ve been a bit scared away from playing it live. Fred’s playing and singing on this song is just incredible, especially the little rhythmic pattern he plays continuously throughout the song.

“I recorded my last project in an underground tunnel, but this time we were working in a cavernous church, which allowed us to really experiment with all the sounds that different locations in the sanctuary and different mic configurations could produce. When you listen, you can hear the expanse of the space pretty clearly, which was really important to our approach on these recordings.” — Nora Brown


Photo Credit: Benton Brown

WATCH: Daniel Sherrill, “Frosty Morning”

Artist: Daniel Sherrill
Hometown: Ashland, Oregon
Song: “Frosty Morning”
Album: from a heritage tree
Release Date: June 17, 2022
Label: American Standard Time Records

In Their Words: “I love the minor mystical-ness to this version of ‘Frosty Morning.’ I originally learned it from a library book, and it seems to me that this version lives more in the traditional old-timey repertoire, versus some of the newer versions that I’ve heard that flip the A and B parts. The decision to add a harmony started just as a fun way to improvise in a jam, but I liked it so much I wanted to add it to the final version. On the full album each tune has its standard melody paired with a harmony part, which makes each one almost two songs. Near our airport there’s this stack of vehicles, a mountain of color, distorted metal, and a monument to broken down cars. It’s beautiful. I called the auto-wrecking yard; they were so kind and agreed to let us shoot a video in their crush pile.” — Daniel Sherrill


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Influenced by Jazz, Tray Wellington Breaks Down Barriers on ‘Black Banjo’

Growing up in the southern Appalachian Mountains of North Carolina, Tray Wellington discovered the banjo as a teenager. Now in his early 20s with a full-length debut album titled Black Banjo, Wellington subverts the musical expectations he has felt as a Black musician by presenting banjo in a jazz-tinged, progressive style. While his influences include many pioneers of the banjo, the impact of jazz musicians such as John Coltrane is undeniable.

Bluegrass is built on these seemingly paradoxical subtleties but has not always afforded people of color the space to express them. In this way, Wellington is bold in his sincerity and Black Banjo is striking in its creativity. While the narrative drifts between different musical and artistic styles, it is all held together by the connection to Tray as an artist, musician, and person. As he explains to The Bluegrass Situation, “When I try to write things, I’m hoping that they touch on things that a lot of people can grab on to.”

BGS: What was your inspiration for the theme of this project?

Wellington: A big thing for me was breaking down some of the expectations that are put on people in the music, specifically people of color in terms of diversity in general. There are all these stereotypes and expectations put on people to play certain types of music or to play it in a certain way. I’ve often heard things like, “Oh, you should be playing old-time music in such-and-such style because that would be a really deep representation of your history.” You know what I mean?

I have never really considered how often that microaggression might occur but it makes a lot of sense hearing you explain it. I can hear exactly how the well-intentioned people we know would say that.

Yeah. I get their purpose behind it, and I don’t mind people that do approach their music that way because I think it’s great to go and look at a historical side of things and pay tribute; I really dig that. I’m totally for that. But I also think when somebody’s trying to make their own way and do what they want to do musically, putting these labels on people, especially in a group of people that have already been marginalized, limits a lot of creative freedom for people.

Your music in general is a lot more like progressive bluegrass. It makes sense that trying to be led into a different style would be frustrating

Yeah, exactly. My music is more influenced by jazz and stuff like that. When I was thinking about putting this record together, I wanted it to kind of be a statement like, “Hey, I’m doing this for myself and I want to make a new path and I want there to be a redefinition of what this means.” If that makes sense. Because I want this idea that Black people have to create a certain style of music, or talk about this, or do this, to be less restricted and broader than it is right now.

The mix of originals and covers on the album strikes a nice balance. Tim O’Brien is singing on “Wasted Time,” right? What’s the story behind that song?

I’m not sure how to explain it. The idea is getting trapped in your own head about things. It also has a lot to do with alcohol, but it’s more about that feeling of getting trapped in your own head about certain things. When certain things are going on in life, it’s easy to get into a state of disarray.

How about the spoken word bit over “Naima,” how did that come about?

I was writing a bunch of poetry over the pandemic and wanted to put something over that track that had meaning to me. John Coltrane’s music had a lot to do with breaking barriers and I had written some poems about barrier-breaking in the world that happened over the pandemic. I wanted to include one of those in that song as an extra tribute to the work he did as far as expanding barriers.

How long have you been writing poetry?

It’s been a recent thing. In the past year, I’ve been writing down little ideas in my phone. I’ll come up with lines that kind of rhyme together, and if I’m feeling a certain way, I’ll pull out my phone and write some stuff down about how I’m feeling at that moment. And it’s cool because if you’re writing a song or looking for a line for something, you can go back and find something that might fit.

Are the other originals all things that you’ve written recently or are there some you’ve held on to for a while?

There are a couple of songs I’ve had for a while. One song I wrote back in 2018 or ‘19 and I just didn’t record it on my first record because it didn’t really fit the feeling of the first record. A lot of the stuff I wrote when it was getting close to recording just because that’s usually when I hit my big creative markers. I sometimes have trouble writing until I feel pressure that I have to get something done. Especially banjo stuff. I’ll write a lot of songs all at once and then I won’t write new tunes for a while until it’s getting close to time to record. I’ll be like, “Oh, wait, I got to get this done. Let’s get writing again.” And then I’ll usually have some creative juices start flowing.

How did you end up getting interested in bluegrass in the first place? And how did you start playing the banjo?

I was originally playing electric guitar. I was listening to mostly rock and had heard other kinds of folk music but I really hadn’t specifically heard bluegrass. But after I had been playing for a while I got to know some guys playing flatpicking guitar. I went to middle school with Jacob Greer, who went on to play with the band Sideline. I also grew up around Zack Arnold, who now plays with Rhonda Vincent. I thought flatpicking guitar was really cool, technique-wise, so I started wanting to learn.

There was a club at my middle school at the time that was like a traditional music club. So I went there and I started trying to learn and that’s where I heard banjo for the first time. And I fell in love with it from the get-go. I just heard it and thought it was so cool. I went home and begged my mom to get me a banjo. We finally got one from a pawn shop somewhere, and I got going that way. The teacher in that class showed me some of my first banjo rolls. And then I started learning. It’s been a journey since then.

Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Ashe County, North Carolina, which is in between Boone and Wilkesboro. During high school I got to take what they call a mountain music class. You could go and play whatever. It was really an open-ended thing as far as music goes. Steve Lewis was the teacher for that. He’s a really good flatpicking guitarist and banjo player.

Having a really clear title like Black Banjo on a bluegrass label like Mountain Home with your great playing and writing in a more modern and progressive style will definitely (hopefully) allow some listeners to question what they think certain things should be. It’s a showcase of Black excellence in a space that doesn’t often see that. Was that your intention when you started this project? 

It wasn’t necessarily my intention when I first started recording for Mountain Home, but it became more of a thing when we were preparing the second round of stuff. I got to the point of thinking this should have something in addition to the music, and the idea behind it should have some meaning to me and not just be an album. I was trying to think of things that meant a lot to me and how I could form the music around that idea to make it make sense. That’s kind of how I decided on the album because one of my goals in general in playing music is to break down some of these barriers related to what people think people of color in this music should do.


Photo Credit: Dan Boner

Basic Folk – Grace Givertz

Grace Givertz, born and raised in South Florida, began writing and performing at age eleven when she got a guitar and learned to play off of YouTube videos. Grace is a survivor in many ways: She manages and confronts several chronic illnesses, she survived having her Berklee scholarship rescinded due to a systematic error and lived through being struck by a city bus in 2015.

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The accident left her unable to play her instruments for several months. During that idle time, she reflected on how being a musician defines who she is. Her writing changed and became more open and honest about chronic illnesses. In her most recent single, “Papa,” she writes about the traumatic murder of her grandfather and how he lives on in Grace.

I first came across Grace working at Club Passim in the Boston area, where she currently lives. Grace’s visual appearance, sense of humor and sparkling personality are undeniable. In addition to music, she’s super crafty and her reputation for cute outfits, cute earrings (which she sells on Etsy) and her cute apartment (which I’ve seen a lot of thanks to Zoom concerts and social media) proceeds her. She surrounds herself with her adorable pets that pop up frequently on her social media. One time, my mom (unprovoked – she doesn’t know Grace!) sent me a video of Grace’s bearded dragon, Baby Pancake, being cuddled by her peachy cat Persimmon. Yes, I know most of her pets’ names and have a Grace Givertz t-shirt with a sweet Baby Pancake design on it. I am a fan all around.


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Chris Pandolfi and Drew Becker Embrace the Infamous Stringdusters’ Side Hustles

The Infamous Stringdusters have been together for close to two decades, and one big reason for their longevity is that everyone gets the chance to step out with side-hustles and solo projects. Even live sound engineer Drew Becker has one – a side business to market one of his inventions, a device that reduces volume on a vocal microphone when the singer walks away.

“That’s my baby,” Becker says, “and I hope to see one on every stage in the future.”

Multiple Stringdusters members are putting out solo albums this year, including banjo player Chris “Panda” Pandolfi, who also makes soundtrack music. But his primary extracurricular project is a podcast, Inside the Musician’s Brain, currently in its third season on Osiris Media.

“It’s deep-dive interviews, musician to musician,” he says. “Béla Fleck was my last guest and Aoife O’Donovan was the guest before. Billy Strings, Trampled by Turtles, Sierra Hull, too. It’s an awesome outlet to take fans deeper inside the music.”

The band’s 2021 release, A Tribute to Bill Monroe, will compete in the category of Best Bluegrass Album Grammy Award in the ceremonies in Las Vegas on April 3. Meanwhile, to commemorate the release of their new project, Toward the Fray, we’ve been catching up with all of the Stringdusters – our BGS Artist of the Month for March – for a series of three conversations from the road. Read part one with Dobro player Andy Hall and guitarist Andy Falco. Read part two with fiddler Jeremy Garrett and bassist Travis Book. Here is part three with Becker and Panda.

BGS: Drew, how long have you been the Stringdusters’ live engineer?

Becker: Since 2008, the van and trailer days, and we’ve just been working our way up to where it’s logistically easier and more efficient. They were my first professional job outside the bar gigs I’d been working through college going to sound school. We’ve grown together technically through the development process, figuring out ways to put on better shows on a night-to-night basis. It’s a learning process, one puzzle piece at a time. You fix one thing, and that might create something else that needs improvement. I do sound for just the live thing. Early on, I’d hang with them in the studio, too, just because it was awesome and I wanted to absorb anything I could about the process. But studio and live are totally different teams and skill sets. Like spray-painting versus watercolor, both are painting and some of the tools might be the same. But it’s totally different skills.

Panda, we heard you’ve been dealing with banjo issues today.

Pandolfi: It went out during last night’s show! Something was wrong with the pickup within the instrument.

Does that happen often?

Becker: Not often, fortunately. For a pickup to melt down, like three other things have to go wrong before that. This is kind of the worst-case scenario, where it’s not totally dead. It works for soundcheck and maybe even a full show, then presents issues the first song the next night. You spend hours troubleshooting, it solves itself, fails again. Then you call every music store in Atlanta and drive 30 minutes to get the one pickup you need.

Panda: It’s kind of an anomaly. Electronics, nothing to do with the instrument. Part of the bluegrass world we’re in is having to amplify acoustic instruments to create a huge sound. These are instruments that weren’t necessarily designed for that, so it’s an imperfect science with limitations. It takes a lot of time and energy for us to perform bluegrass in big venues for big crowds and we’re always trying to do better at it. Some nights work, some don’t.

 

 

Do you have just one banjo you play all the time, or a lot of instruments?

Panda: I collect old Gibson banjos from the 1930s, the heyday. From 1929, when they settled on the modern flathead design most players use, to 1939 when metal had to go into the war effort, and they never regained their former glory. Anything from the 1930s is coveted and I have a bunch of those. Eight right now, I think. It’s always hovering between seven and 10 or 11. I’ll sell one, buy another. I’m not in it to make money, but I love them and know what I’m seeing when I look at one. I like to get them into the hands of younger players who may not be as versed in the marketplace but want these banjos because they’re special.

Who would you both cite as mentors?

Panda: My biggest inspiration is Béla Fleck. I did not know anything about bluegrass before I heard the Flecktones. That’s what introduced me to banjo. I worked backwards from there, to Earl Scruggs and Tom Adams. Those two and Béla are my top three influences. Tony Trischka, Bill Evans and Ron Block are good friends and mentors I call on for advice about music and life. I’m lucky to call those guys friends.

Becker: Early on, a lot of my mentors were in Nashville working with bands in our acoustic genre as we grew. Bands headlining festivals, their engineers mentored me. As I’ve grown in this genre, I’ve looked outside bluegrass to pick up lessons and techniques from rock or electronic music. Learn to understand PA systems and how to optimize musical spaces. It’s a challenge, figuring out how to amplify acoustic resonant bodies on a stage 10 or 15 feet from the PA speaker.

I’ve heard about the show-and-tell sessions with songs before recording. Is there a live-show equivalent to that before tours?

Panda: We go through a big process of arranging songs for the band to make them quintessential Stringdusters songs. The focus first is the studio, making the album. Then there’s usually a long lag time before they come out. They might sit there for a year before we play them live. Then we have to rediscover and relearn the material for the stage, learn what works and how to translate them. I make the set list, divvying up singers and instrumental features with transitions, so there’s a process of understanding how the new songs fit in with the whole other step that happens much later than the record. Drew will have to work to replicate things from the album, and it’s always evolving.

Becker: Throughout my 14 years, some records have come out with material they’d already been playing live for months. That’s not happened for a while. The last few, the band is off recording, and the crew might not even know about it. Then we get the new material and figure out how to pepper it in. I heard this record for the first time in January and it came out in February, so I was studying and taking notes, seeing where effects might translate directly and where we have to improvise. Like if it’s a double-vocal effect from one singer, something impossible to have anyone do live, how do we recreate that? It’s a fun process.

Panda, you do the set list every night?

Panda: I do, though not entirely alone. I’ll get requests, somebody hits me up with, “I really want to do that song tonight.” With a new album, a lot of that stuff comes in night after night. We exist in a world where fans come to multiple shows on a tour, so we never play the same song two nights in a row. That gives a baseline of variety. I’m granted a good amount of autonomy to make the set list and it’s something I put a lot of time into. I’ll consider what we played the night before, also what we played the last time we were in that town. This tour, we have an hour and change every night so it’s a matter of packing in heavy hitters as opposed to pacing out two sets over three hours. A lot goes into it.

 

 

Becker: I looked it up and the Dusters have played over 300 different songs since I’ve been with them. It’s quite a list.

Panda: Since our inception as a band, all four members have been very involved in the business and different aspects of making the operation go. Early on, set lists were something that had to get done and I jumped on it for reasons that make sense. I rarely sing lead, so my role is to be impartial in divvying it up between singers so there’s a good balance between voices.

Drew, are you going to the Grammys with the band?

Becker: Not this time. If I ever have an opportunity that makes sense, I’ll go. Maybe it will be worth it to do one time. I had as much fun watching the stream of them winning when I was visiting my parents in Florida. I got to jump up and down with them. That was great.

Panda: My parents have always been supportive but also a little skeptical, like every parent. That questioning feeling about music as a career is not just something you feel from parents; you feel that within yourself, too. We’re ambitious people working hard to achieve goals and the path is not always straight or linear. So, winning a Grammy was a great moment of validation and confidence, something that keeps you going and inspires you. I was proud of not just that album but all the trust and commitment and work it took to get there from the band, team, and crew. That was meaningful validation of a much longer arc of work than the one record. It was an amazing moment that helps fuel the mission you’re on, helps you stay committed.


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Carolina Calling, Greensboro: the Crossroads of Carolina

Known as the Gate City, Greensboro, North Carolina is a transitional town: hub of the Piedmont between the mountain high country to the west and coastal Sandhill Plains to the east, and a city defined by the people who have come, gone, and passed through over the years. As a crossroads location, it has long been a way station for many endeavors, including touring musicians – from the likes of the Rolling Stones and Jimi Hendrix at the Greensboro Coliseum, the state’s largest indoor arena, to James Brown and Otis Redding at clubs like the El Rocco on the Chitlin’ Circuit. Throw in the country and string band influences from the textile mill towns in the area, and the regional style of the Piedmont blues, and you’ve got yourself quite the musical melting pot.

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This historical mixture was not lost on one of Greensboro’s own, Rhiannon Giddens – one of modern day Americana’s ultimate crossover artists. A child of black and white parents, she grew up in the area hearing folk and country music, participating in music programs in local public schools, and eventually going on to study opera at Oberlin Conservatory in Ohio. Once she returned to North Carolina and came under the study of fiddler Joe Thompson and the Black string band tradition, she began playing folk music and forged an artistic identity steeped in classical as well as vernacular music. In this episode of Carolina Calling, we spoke with Giddens about her background in Greensboro and how growing up mixed and immersed in various cultures, in a city so informed by its history of segregation and status as a key civil rights battleground, informed her artistic interests and endeavors, musical styles, and her mission in the music industry.

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Music featured in this episode:

Rhiannon Giddens – “Black is the Color”
Andrew Marlin – “Erie Fiddler”
Carolina Chocolate Drops – “Cornbread and Butterbeans”
The Rolling Stones – “Rocks Off”
Count Basie and His Orchestra – “Honeysuckle Rose”
Roy Harvey – “Blue Eyes”
Blind Boy Fuller – “Step It Up and Go”
Rhiannon Giddens, Francesco Turrisi – “Avalon”
Carolina Chocolate Drops – “Snowden’s Jig (Genuine Negro Jig)”
Barbara Lewis -“Hello Stranger”
The O’Kaysions – “Girl Watcher”
Joe and Odell Thompson – “Donna Got a Rambling Mind”
Carolina Chocolate Drops – “Country Girl”
Carolina Chocolate Drops – “Hit ‘Em Up Style”
Our Native Daughters – “Moon Meets the Sun”
Rhiannon Giddens, Francesco Turrisi – “Si Dolce é’l Tormento”


BGS is proud to produce Carolina Calling in partnership with Come Hear NC, a campaign from the North Carolina Department of Natural & Cultural Resources designed to celebrate North Carolinians’ contribution to the canon of American music.

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Allison de Groot & Tatiana Hargreaves Reunite to Honor Their Grandmothers

Know any banjo-and-fiddle tunes inspired by and dedicated to Clarice Lispector, an obscure Ukrainian-born and Brazilian-raised mid-20th century novelist?

Here’s one: the title piece from Hurricane Clarice, the upcoming second album by the duo of clawhammer banjoist Allison de Groot and fiddler Tatiana Hargreaves. The tune is a melancholy, wistful instrumental waltz, paired here with the old fiddle tune “Brushy Fork of John’s Creek.” It’s perfectly in keeping with the bluegrass and Appalachian traditions that brought the two together when they were teen folk camp attendees a decade ago and have informed the music on their 2019 duo debut and in appearances everywhere from festivals and music workshops to house concerts.

Hargreaves says she wrote the piece after finishing Lispector’s 1946 novel, “The Chandelier,” enraptured and inspired by the “abstractness” and even “spaciness” of the highly distinctive, involving writing.

“I mean, it’s very loosely connected,” Hargreaves says of how the writing sparked her. “It’s not inspired by a specific thing. It’s more just what I was feeling a lot after reading one of her books. And when Allison and I were working up material for this record, I brought it to the table and it was just feeling really good.”

The album is full of loose and unexpected connections, taking some seemingly circuitous routes. Rachel Carson’s 1962 environmental primer Silent Spring, for one, is cited in the liner notes as being evoked by their choice of opening song, “The Banks of the Miramichi.” The song come from New Brunswick, dating to the turn of the 20th century, but came to Hargreaves and de Groot via a recording from around the time Carson was writing about DDT imperiling that river.

There’s “Every Season Changes You,” a touchingly sentimental Roy Acuff song that de Groot became obsessed with after hearing a bluegrass version by Rose Maddox and, in the context of the album, relates to both climate change and the dislocation of life in the pandemic.

There’s “I Would Not Live Always,” a hymn from a poem by William Augustus Muhlenberg. Hargreaves came to that song while helping folk pioneer Alice Gerrard digitize photos for a book project and being charmed by a picture of Tennessee fiddler Clarence Farrell and his wife — accompanied by their dachshund — holding a scroll with shape-note scale. That spurred Gerrard to play her a Mike Seeger field recording of Farrell playing this song.

And that song, in the duo’s interpretation, has another unlikely thread: While crafting a banjo interlude, de Groot was directed by producer Phil Cook to listen to the Velvet Underground’s somber, dreamy “All Tomorrow’s Parties,” of all things, for inspiration.

But the Lispector nod is the one which led them to find the most significant, and personal, threads that run through the album — and in some ways, the one that ties them together.

“We started to make the connections with family that tie the album together,” Hargreaves says. “Lispector is originally from Ukraine, and Allison has family that’s Ukrainian. And then [Lispector] was Jewish and her family fled from Eastern Europe in the 1920s, which is in my family background as well.”

“We’ve talked about this a lot, the idea of family, whether that’s family that you’re connected with at childhood or your musical community, which definitely feels like a continuation of that,” says de Groot. “We both work with a lot of musicians that are from different generations.”

That sense, for these two young musicians, really came to a head in the isolation and disconnection of the pandemic, heightened some by it then having to cancel a couple of attempts over the course of a year before they were able to get together to make this album. That itself played into the nature of the music they made when they finally were able to do it last summer, and in some non-music elements that provided threads for the music. The latter stemmed from conversations in the fall of 2020 with Phil Cook, who produced the album sessions in Portland, Oregon, where Hargreaves grew up.

“He started being in on sharing of tunes,” says de Groot, who was born and raised in Winnipeg, Canada. “He made an offhand comment that he was getting ‘grandmother energy’ from one of the instrumental tunes. And that led us down this rabbit hole, and he was asking us, ‘Do you have any recordings of your grandparents?’ We started looking around, which was a really special experience, because it put me in touch with some of my family about getting recordings.”

They got them. The voices of Hargreaves’ grandmothers Sylvia (born in 1925 in Brooklyn) and Jean (1930, Detroit) and de Groot’s grandmother Shirley (1929, Winnipeg, though sadly she passed away in March 2020) all are heard on the album’s penultimate song, “Ostrich With Pearls,” an otherwise instrumental written by Hargreaves. (The title? “It came from a poster that a friend had sent me,” Hargreaves says, laughing. “It’s an ostrich wearing a pearl necklace.”)

Sylvia talks about the house in which she was raised and how her grandfather converted the basement into a giant bird cage. Jean, recorded by Hargreaves’ uncle and limited due to dementia, reminisces that her favorite bird is a cardinal. And Shirley tells of her childhood car rides with her grandparents around Lake Winnipeg, having to roll up the windows due to the dust and gravel kicked up by the tires.

And while de Groot’s other grandmother died some years ago, “Hurricane Clarice” starts with a recording de Groot’s cousin made of her great-aunt Tillie speaking in Ukrainian — a language she had not used in many years.

“I asked her to tell a story about my Nana, so that she would be represented on the album as well,” de Groot says. “And she sent me this tiny clip where she just said, I think it translates to, ‘Sophie was a very good sister.’ It’s really sweet.”

While that emotional core of the album took shape during the separations of recent times, the seeds for it were planted some years back. The two met briefly in the late 2000s as adolescents at a festival in Victoria, British Columbia, when Hargreaves and her brother Alex were playing with multi-instrumentalist and multiculturalist Bruce Molsky, a mentor to both her and de Groot.

They started playing together regularly in the mid-2010s in the Boston area, where de Groot was attending Berklee School of Music and Hargreaves was at Hampshire college in Amherst, studying ethnomusicology — her thesis was about fiddle camps. Today, Hargreaves lives in Durham, North Carolina, where she is a fiddle teacher and graduate student in library sciences at the University of North Carolina.

“We had a really strong musical connection,” says de Groot, who just moved to Vancouver, British Columbia, this year. “Pretty soon after we reconnected in Massachusetts, we ended up being at a festival together. And there were all these festivals and we were both with different projects, but we were always excited to find each other and play for hours and hours. And then we decided to record an album and started doing some live shows.”

The first album captured the excitement and spontaneity of the nascent partnership, but for this one they wanted to take that further — once they were able to get into a studio together. The sessions happened during the Portland’s historically brutal heat wave last summer. That put climate change very much on their minds as they created Hurricane Clarice. And that, in turn, further intensified and illuminated the connections running through the album.

“It’s the whole feeling of apocalypse, and I think highlighting family and community within the setting of climate apocalypse,” Hargreaves says. “We connected this album to different notions of family, like our grandmothers, and thinking about what we can learn from our ancestors and also being together. And this project really helped me through the pandemic, meeting [on Zoom] with Allison every week and feeling like our duo as a family. Adrian Maree Brown, who’s an activist and author, asks the question about what compels us to survive climate change. I don’t know if I have an answer for that, but I think about it a lot and definitely community and family is what it all comes down to in the end.”

Editor’s Note: Hargreaves and de Groot will be featured in the Bluegrass Situation Presents: A St. Patrick’s Day Festival at New York’s New Irish Arts Center, participating in an opening night jam session with fiddler-banjoist Jake Blount and traditional dancer Nic Gareiss on March 17 as well as headlining the event’s closing night March 19. Enter the giveaway to win a pair of tickets.


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Carolina Calling, Shelby: Local Legends Breathe New Life Into Small Town

The image of bluegrass is mountain music played and heard at high altitudes and towns like Deep Gap and remote mountain hollers across the Appalachians. But the earliest form of the music originated at lower elevations, in textile towns across the North Carolina Piedmont. As far back as the 1920s, old-time string bands like Charlie Poole’s North Carolina Ramblers were playing an early form of the music in textile towns, like Gastonia, Spray, and Shelby – in Cleveland County west of Charlotte.

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In this second episode of Carolina Calling, a podcast exploring the history of North Carolina through its music and the musicians who made it, we visit the small town of Shelby: a seemingly quiet place, like most small Southern towns one might pass by in their travels. Until you see the signs for the likes of the Don Gibson Theatre and the Earl Scruggs Center, you wouldn’t guess that it was the town that raised two of the most influential musicians and songwriters in bluegrass and country music: Earl Scruggs, one of the most important musicians in the birth of bluegrass, whose banjo playing was so innovative that it still bears his name, “Scruggs style,” and Don Gibson, one of the greatest songwriters in the pop & country pantheon, who wrote “I Can’t Stop Loving You,” “Sweet Dreams,” and other songs you know by heart. For both Don Gibson and Earl Scruggs, Shelby is where it all began.

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Music featured in this episode:

Charlie Poole & The North Carolina Ramblers – “Take a Drink On Me”
Flatt & Scruggs – “Ground Speed”
Don Gibson – “I Can’t Stop Loving You”
Andrew Marlin – “Erie Fiddler” (Carolina Calling Theme)
Hedy West – “Cotton Mill Girl”
Blind Boy Fuller – “Rag Mama, Rag”
Don Gibson – “Sea Of Heartbreak”
Patsy Cline – “Sweet Dreams ”
Ray Charles – “I Can’t Stop Loving You”
Ronnie Milsap – “(I’d Be) A Legend In My Time”
Elvis Presley – “Crying In The Chapel”
Hank Snow – “Oh Lonesome Me”
Don Gibson – “Sweet Dreams”
Don Gibson – “Oh Lonesome Me”
Chet Atkins – “Oh Lonesome Me”
Johnny Cash – “Oh, Lonesome Me”
The Everly Brothers – “Oh Lonesome Me”
Neil Young – “Oh Lonesome Me”
Flatt & Scruggs – “Foggy Mountain Breakdown”
Bill Preston – “Holy, Holy, Holy”
Flat & Scruggs – “We’ll Meet Again Sweetheart”
Snuffy Jenkins – “Careless Love”
Bill Monroe – “Uncle Pen”
Bill Monroe – “It’s Mighty Dark To Travel”
The Earl Scruggs Revue – “I Shall Be Released”
The Band – “I Shall Be Released”
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band – “Will The Circle Be Unbroken”
The Country Gentlemen – “Fox On The Run”
Sonny Terry – “Whoopin’ The Blues”
Sonny Terry & Brownie McGee – “Born With The Blues (Live)”
Nina Simone – “I Wish I Knew How It Would Feel To Be Free”


BGS is proud to produce Carolina Calling in partnership with Come Hear NC, a campaign from the North Carolina Department of Natural & Cultural Resources designed to celebrate North Carolinians’ contribution to the canon of American music.

BGS Top 50 Moments: Del McCoury Plays Banjo With Sam Bush

One of the first-ever viral moments on BGS was a special behind-the-scenes Soundcheck video featuring Sam Bush and Del McCoury from their 2012 duo tour, “Sam and Del.” In it, the two legends prepare for the first night on the road at the Birchmere in Alexandria, Virginia, warming up both their instruments and their familial-like banter on stage:

“Friends, he got up out of the bunk this morning and his hair was perfect,” says Sam. “I don’t know how he does it.”

“Well I’ll tell you what, I laid it on the shelf overnight and just put it back on the next morning!” retorts Del, quick as a whip.

But somewhere around the 2:45 mark, magic happens. For the first time in nearly fifty years, Del prepared to play five-string banjo on stage. It was a moment that few had witnessed prior (even Sam), much less known he was capable of. Turns out, the Bluegrass Music Hall of Famer actually started his career in Bill Monroe’s band as the banjo player before being shuffled to guitar and backing vocals, his unmistakable high lonesome tone becoming his calling card.

“It’s just a love fest?” says Sam Bush of their time together on stage.

Same for us, Sam. Same for us.

Video credit: Natalie Fava of Wonderscope.