Embracing Tulsa Time, John Fullbright Finds Inspiration in a Farmhouse Studio

Yes, artists tend to be insecure. Still, it’s surprising to hear John Fullbright admit he steeled himself for bad reviews after releasing his third studio album, The Liar, in October. In fairness, though, he does have a higher-than-average bar to meet.

When the Bearden, Oklahoma, native released his studio debut, From the Ground Up, 10 years ago, what was essentially a collection of demos earned him a Grammy nomination, Americana Honors & Awards nods for Album and Emerging Artist of the Year, the ASCAP Foundation’s Harold Adamson Lyric Award (presented by another home-state hero, Jimmy Webb) and inclusion in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s tribute to Chuck Berry — where his blues-drenched, Leon Russell-infused delivery of “Ain’t Nobody’s Business” stole the show.

He was 24. At 26, he released an even more powerful album, Songs, which charted in the U.S. and U.K. Journalists again showered the pianist, guitarist and harmonica player with praise, expressing eagerness to follow his career evolution.

They weren’t expecting to wait eight years, but Fullbright was, indeed, busy evolving. He moved from Bearden (population: 133) to Tulsa (population: 411,401), where he was welcomed into a supportive music community and thriving creative scene. He embraced “Tulsa time” — a laid-back vibe he characterizes as “that JJ Cale attitude” — and discovered he loved jamming as a sideman instead of always having to carry the show.

As his already prodigious skills expanded, his confidence skyrocketed, which loosened him up on stage and in general. It’s made him a better performer, one who willingly unspools stories behind songs and engages audiences with more finesse than he already had. It also led him to seek other new experiences — like producing American Aquarium’s 2018 album, Things Change, and making his acting debut in pal Sterlin Harjo’s Hulu series, Reservation Dogs.

“It was pretty fun,” he says of his cameo as a salvage yard worker. But he has no more desire to pursue acting than he did to turn From the Ground Up’s momentum into a push for fame.

Fullbright finally got around to recording The Liar because he wanted to use the late Steve Ripley’s farmhouse studio, a replica of the one Ripley owned for 20 years in Tulsa: the famed Church Studio formerly owned by Leon Russell. Fullbright had watched Ripley painstakingly re-create the Church’s fabled Big Room (the original, now a National Historic Landmark, is considered the birthplace of “the Tulsa Sound”), but the engineer died before he could use it.

When Fullbright heard Ripley’s widow was considering selling the place, he asked if he could record something before she did.

“I gathered the guys I’ve been playing with for years now, and we went and stayed out there for a few days,” Fullbright says. “We just hung mics all over the room and started playing. I came in with a handful of finished songs and a handful of unfinished songs, and we started kicking around ideas. … It very organically came together. Next thing we knew, we had 12, 15 songs recorded. A lot of these tracks are live.”

Over four days, Fullbright discovered the joy of collaborating, particularly with Jesse Aycock (guitar, pedal steel) and Patrick Ryan (drums, percussion, cover art). He also enlisted his partner, Anjelica Baca, to sing on three tracks, including the pretty near-duet “Lucky,” and the standout “Safe to Say.”

On that one, Fullbright steers his Wurlitzer from a bluesy groove into Memphis/Muscle Shoals R&B/soul territory, singing, “I’m not talking about eyes or oceans / Smiles or sunsets / This seems stranger / I locked my heart up / Kept it company / I didn’t know I was even in danger.” Gaining thrust as he heads for the high notes, he finally shouts “I’m in lo-o-o-ve!” “I’m in lo-o-o-ve!” over a gospel chorus, seemingly ready to escape gravity altogether — until he deftly pulls back on the throttle, coming in for a landing so gentle, it’s as if that dramatic flight never occurred — except for listeners left gasping for breath from that rocket ride.

“I was going for, like, Otis Redding; start out really, really soft, and just build it as big as you can,” Fullbright explains. “I listen to a lot of R&B, and I have found that the more patient you are, the more tension there is, and the more tension there is, the bigger the payoff. It’s also a risk; sometimes it doesn’t work. But when it does, it’s great. I can go back and listen to that song and still get chills.”

Except for a few overdubs, the song was captured in one take. As for that gospel chorus, they just gathered everyone around a single mic. The same technique was used for “Poster Child,” another Fullbright-Dustin Welch cowrite in the Kurt Weill-ish vein of their darkly satiric “Gawd Above.”

On The Liar, Fullbright also includes a charming version of “Where We Belong,” by the late Tom Skinner, a founding father of Stillwater, Oklahoma-spawned red dirt music.

“We’ve been playing that song a lot live just because it’s just a really honest country song, and those are hard to come by sometimes,” says Fullbright. “And it’s an homage to Tom because he was my friend. He showed me the ropes when I first started playing music in front of a microphone.”

Fullbright was a still a teen when his performance at the Woody Guthrie Folk Festival (aka WoodyFest), Okemah, Oklahoma’s annual celebration of its most famous resident, generated some big buzz. From there, he made his way to Oklahoma City’s Blue Door, Greg Johnson’s iconic listening room. Johnson was so impressed by Fullbright’s skills, he did something he’d never done in all his years of showcasing talent: he offered to become Fullbright’s manager.

Neither had planned for such a quick take-off. As Fullbright’s career unfolded, it flipped into some bizarro Cinderella story — one in which the glass slipper gets dumped because it’s too shiny and uncomfortable.

Fullbright doesn’t like limelight; he actually left college in part because he was too shy to raise his hand in class or speak to groups. But his talents still drew attention, despite his discomfort (which may or may not be referenced in The Liar’s booze-centric “Social Skills” and the definitely not autobiographical, Tom Waits-inspired title track, written over coffee around 9 a.m.).

An early hint of his trajectory came when he won the Bugle Boy Foundation Talent Trust Award at 23, which funded From the Ground Up. But he declined to finance a Grammy vote-gathering campaign; he has little interest in music-biz politicking. Though he has a distribution agreement with Thirty Tigers, he’s never signed with a label; all of his albums have been released on his own Blue Dirt Records label.

After the 2014 release of Songs, Fullbright knew he didn’t want to engage in extended touring indefinitely. The move to Tulsa gave him more reason not to: being close to a major airport made it easier to do short hops and one-off appearances, and in-between, he could stay home and play.

“I’m still shy,” admits Fullbright, who pre-signed discs for a recent performance so he wouldn’t have to interact at the merch table. “But I definitely feel a lot less like an outsider looking in. One of the things about being in this particular community is, it’s nothing for somebody to just text and say, ‘Hey, man, I can’t make it to this show. Would you mind filling in?’ And ‘Hey, would you mind letting my dog out?’ ‘Would you mind watching my kids for a couple hours?’ To me, that’s what’s really cool about it. We don’t just get together and play music.”

Now, he splits his time between Tulsa and the Bearden farmhouse in which he was conceived. In the city, he has a community, grocery stores and garbage pickup. In the country, he has … stars.

That glittering night sky inspired what’s widely regarded as Fullbright’s magnum opus: “Stars” — finally recorded for posterity after years of only live performances. It’s a stunning work, a sweeping epic addressing loneliness, love, loss, life, death and God in six simple stanzas. Nearly every already-glowing review singles it out for effusive praise (so much for those fears of panning). Under a video of Fullbright performing the song, former Austin American-Statesman critic Peter Blackstock wrote, “I did not hear a better new original song than this from anyone in the past decade.”

That led to John Legend’s so-far-unreleased recording. Potential mailbox money aside, it really should be Fullbright’s version lodging in the memory of everyone who hears it.

He wrote it after playing at a close family friend’s funeral. The night before, he recalls, “It was a very clear night, and I was in a very bad mood. I was angry because John was gone. But I have a tendency, when I walk from the car to the back porch, just to look up and stare at the stars for a minute, get my bearings. That night, I was doing my star gazing and I just went, ‘Man, if you’re just gonna die, what is the point?’ I was in a dark place.

“The next day, I played John’s memorial service and hung out with the family all day,” he continues. “We laughed and cried, and I came back to the house and looked up at the sky. Same stars. And I was filled with this sad joy, like, ‘What was I thinking last night? Life is something to take very, very seriously. It’s very precious. And it’s very short.’ I walked inside and wrote the song; it all just came out at once. That so rarely happens. The whole thing got written in one sitting and recorded onto my phone, and that was it. I went to bed.”

Fullbright may have turned his back on potential stardom, preferring an ember’s steady glow to the quick fade of flashy fireworks. He’s never had a hit, but he’s already written several songs that deserve to be considered classics. “Stars” outshines them all, though. It truly is one for the ages, from an outstanding talent who, ideally, won’t wait another eight years to give the world more songs that shine even half as brilliantly.


Photo Credit: Jackson Adair

LISTEN: John Fullbright, “Crossing Over”

Artist: John Fullbright
Hometown: Born in Bearden, Oklahoma; lives in Tulsa, Oklahoma
Song: “Crossing Over” (written by Steve Ripley)
Album: Back to Paradise: A Tulsa Tribute to Okie Music
Release Date: August 28, 2020
Label: Horton Records

In Their Words: “I played various keyboards and acoustic guitar, percussion, and sang a bunch of stuff — I was all over the map on the record. I picked out ‘If the Shoe Fits’ by Leon Russell because I’m pretty sure that song was recorded at Paradise Studio and it’s about that place. I did an audible at the last minute and recorded a Hoyt Axton song called ‘Jealous Man.’ We wound up doing it in one take, which always feels nice. I thought the selection was great — we went from the obscure to stuff that everybody knows.

“I also recorded a song called ‘Crossing Over’ by Steve Ripley. Yeah, it’s my buddy, Steve. It’s literally a song about him going on to the next thing, and right after, he went on to the next thing. There was a tape glitch sound when we were recording it that was just subtle enough that everyone just turned and looked at each other. It was so subtle that it wouldn’t mess up everything else. It was just a little ‘Hey guys,’ ‘Hey kids.’ That was Steve.

“I’d heard about Leon’s Grand Lake Studio for a long time. It was a lot cooler and vibier than I had expected. I didn’t know that so many of the records that I really like were recorded there. So, walking around the place, and just kinda feeling it out, it was almost as good as being there back in the day. This is a snapshot in time of the Tulsa music scene that is very eclectic and very talented. And it’s a city that obviously doesn’t forget its roots, its past, and celebrates it and builds on it.” — John Fullbright


Photo credit: Phil Clarkin

Gig Bag: Tulsa Revue

Welcome to Gig Bag, a BGS feature that peeks into the touring essentials of some of our favorite artists. This time around, John Fullbright, Jesse AycockPaul Benjaman, and Jacob Tovar from the Tulsa Revue tour show us what they gotta have on the road.


My two road essentials are a black shoe polish kit and a set of dominoes. The boot polish is a pre-show ritual and the dominoes are for post-show hotel gaming. — John Fullbright


Grip strength rings keep fingers fit on the road, and they don’t squeak like the old ’70s spring styles. And extra shades for handling any stage light or social situation. — Paul Benjaman


Ralph’s Mexican Bandits beef jerky is one of the best out there (along with No Man’s Land) and it’s a great snack any time of the day. I can’t leave home for tour without a cowboy hat. The time of season or situation determines which one (straw for summer or sun, and felt for Labor Day to May or cold weather). Hat box is a must. — Jacob Tovar


My Nikon D3100 is always nice to have by my side. You see so much interesting stuff on the road and often find yourself in the strangest of places. Its also a great way to kill time and have a moment to yourself. I like to keep a small bag with a notepad to write in and a book to read. Right now I’m reading Mr. Tambourine Man, the story of Gene Clark. — Jesse Aycock

My Fred Kelly thumb picks are essential for both lap steel and guitar. It’s been part of the way I play for so long that it’s almost become like jewelry. — Jesse Aycock


TOUR DATES
Sept. 26: Dallas, Texas (The Kessler Theater)
Sept. 27: Austin, Texas (04 Center)
Sept. 28: Fort Worth, Texas (The Post at River East)*
Oct. 18: Tulsa, Oklahoma (Soul City)
Oct. 21: Little Rock, Arkansas (White Water Tavern)
Oct. 23: Decatur, Georgia (Eddie’s Attic)
Oct. 25: Asheville, North Carolina (Isis Music Hall)
Oct. 26: Nashville, Tennessee (The 5 Spot)
Oct. 27: Memphis, Tennessee (The Green Room)
*John Fullbright is not on this show.

Photo of Tulsa Revue lineup: Greg Bollinger
(L-R): Jacob Tovar, John Fullbright, Paul Benjamin, Jesse Aycock

MIXTAPE: Jade Jackson’s Songs for Loneliness

Loneliness is something I’ve experienced [for] as long as I can remember. Before I fully comprehended its meaning, I became familiar with it in my earliest childhood memories. Finding comfort in what we’re used to, I naturally gravitated toward music that evoked that feeling and when I started writing and creating art, it was my biggest inspiration. – Jade Jackson

Bruce Springsteen – “The River”

Similar stories have been told by artists over the years. But Springsteen’s take on loneliness is untouchable. The harmonica crying in the intro sets the tone for this genius tale of faded love.

Sheryl Crow – “The Difficult Kind”

This song blends loneliness and strength. Owning up, recognizing you’re the reason for your loneliness is tough to face. The pain in her voice along with the electric fiddle combine to tug at your heart as the lyrics capture an honest look inside.

Mojave 3 – “Yer Feet”

This song reminds me of hopelessness, heartache, and the dull pain that foreshadows lost love.

John Fullbright – “High Road”

I remember bursting into tears the first time I heard the climax of this song. The story unfolds beautifully and illustrates true love ending too soon.

Hank Williams – “I’m So Lonesome I Could Cry”

Hank Williams spun in our record player more than any other artist growing up. It’s a song I loved when I was young, because of its imagery, and as I grew older I related to it in a whole new way.

Violent Femmes – “Good Feeling”

“Vague sketch of a fantasy
Laughing at the sunrise
Like he’s been up all night
Ooh slippin’ and slidin’
What a good time but now
Have to find a bed
That can take this weight”

Enough said.

Townes Van Zandt – “Waiting Around to Die”

Townes Van Zandt is one of my all-time favorite songwriters, and in my opinion, the king of sad songs. Behind the vocals the guitar picking, drums, and harmonica in this song sound like a drunken heartache. The Be Good Tanyas have a rendition of this song that I find equally despondent.

Johnny Cash – “Hurt”

Trent Reznor’s song “Hurt” covered by Cash takes my breath away. Loneliness often leads to a numbness begging to be broken by self-inflicted pain. This song is a raw tribute to wanting to disappear.

Patsy Cline – “Walkin’ After Midnight”

This is the perfect lonesome song, with its desperation and hopelessness accompanied by pedal steel.

Mazzy Star – “Fade Into You”

I love how poetic these lyrics are. They evoke a yearning for emotional connection; walking through depression wishing to be loved by someone.

Jade Jackson – “Bridges”

I wrote this song during one of my loneliest times of my life.

Jade Jackson – “Loneliness”

This song was inspired by realizing you don’t have to be alone to feel lonely.


Photo credit: Matt Bizer
Editor’s Note: Jade Jackson released her new album, Wilderness, on June 28.

MIXTAPE: Bruce Robison’s Top Texas Songwriters

Who better than to make a Mixtape of Texas songwriters than a great Texas songwriter? No one. That’s why we asked Bruce Robison to compile a collection of his favorite Lone Star State representatives. And we think he did a mighty fine job of it.

Cindy Walker — “Bubbles in My Beer” (Bob Wills version)

But also “Cherokee Maiden,” “You Don’t Know Me,” and many more. From Mexia, Texas. She helped set the tone for Texas songwriters from Texas later. Incredible depth and honesty, yet simple and beautiful at the same time

Lefty Frizzell — “I Love You a Thousand Ways”

Lefty’s influence as a songwriter and singer is hard to understand. The folks listening to his incredible string of hits went out and created what we think of as country music today.

Buddy Holly — “True Love Ways”

What Buddy Holly did in two years coming from nowhere is an accomplishment rivaled only by the band who named themselves after his band.

Roy Orbison — “Crying”

From Wink, Texas. I can’t imagine what rock ‘n’ roll would be without Buddy Holly and Roy Orbison.

Willie Nelson — “It’s Not Supposed to Be That Way”

For good or bad, the great Texas songwriters were not easily contained in any genre. Nothing much I can add to what’s been said about Will.

Kris Kristofferson — “Loving Her Was Easier”

I love the Glaser Brothers’ version of this, too. See above.

Billy Joe Shaver — “I’m Just an Old Chunk of Coal” (John Anderson version)

Scary, sacred, sublime. Old buddy of mine who managed Billy Joe for 10 minutes said he had storage units full of poetry in Waco somewhere. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit.

Guy Clark — “Instant Coffee Blues”

From Monahans, Texas. Took all that came before and changed the rules.

Townes Van Zandt — “Tecumseh Valley”

Fort Worth’s tortured genius.

Rodney Crowell — “Adam’s Song”

Rodney is in the pantheon and right here walking among us. Like Bob, he might not play all your old favorites, but then again, he might.

Hayes Carll — “It’s a Shame”

With humor and attitude and a weird-ass voice, Hayes is a great songwriter by any measure and the original type of artist we are really proud of down here.

Damon Bramblett — “Sweet Sundown” (Kelly Willis version)

Kelly and I and Charlie and others have cut Damon’s incredibly original songs. Johnny Cash meets Bob Dylan.

Robert Earl Keen — “Village Inn”

After Guy and Townes, Robert started another era of Texas country music songwriting.

John Fullbright — “Me Wanting You”

I know he’s an Oklahoma guy … I don’t care. He’s a great songwriter and 90 percent of his gigs and fans are probably in Texas. Go see him and request “Hoyt Axton.”

Courtney Patton — “It’s a Shame”

This will be a hit someday.

Lauren Barth, ‘Mama Don’t Cry’

“It ain’t easy to be a girl in the USA,” sings Lauren Barth on “Mama Don’t Cry,” the first release off of her debut album Forager, the video for which is premiering exclusively on the BGS. And you know what? It ain’t. As Barth sings on “Mama,” the American story — unless you’re like our president (aka a white man with a big bank account and a bigger ego) — is often a harsh and difficult one, not filled with dogs and dreams but violence and broken hearts. Born in California but now living in Tulsa, Barth drinks from the well that nurtures Oklahoma’s other modern folk treasures, like John Moreland and John Fullbright, who tap easily and steadily into the human condition. For Barth, it’s the musical heroes — “gods inside the radio,” as she sings — who keep us steady in a world that would rather dust the imperfect and uncomfortable under the rug than confront it head on.

Barth tackles a lot of these imperfect and uncomfortable ideas on “Mama Don’t Cry” and in the video that accompanies it with its spiraling, psychedelic twist: far too many guns, one too many funerals, people who belong in their mother’s arms, not jail cells. “Gimme a break,” she sings with the folk steadiness of Lucinda Williams and the slack sly of Liz Phair. We all want a break … from oppression, prejudice, and hate, to name a few. Sometimes, it just feels like it all keeps rising instead of receding. Luckily, folk music is stepping up to the plate not to dry our tears, but to give us hope that at least someone, anyone, is listening to us wail.

The Producers: Wes Sharon

Wes Sharon was 11 when he bought his first punk record. He was just like any kid growing up in Oklahoma in the ‘70s, except he was fascinated by this music where adults acted like kids. “I went to this place called Peaches Records & Tapes. I remember this very well: The girl behind the counter had a perm. I asked her where the punk records were and, as bitchy as she could say it, she said, 'What’s punk?'”

The kid struggled to answer the question, but all he could come up with was, “Like, the Police?”

Fortunately, the clerk took pity on him and sent him out the door with the Clash’s London Calling under his arm. “I went home, read the lyrics, saw the F word.” To say it changed his life would be an understatement. “The Clash did everything. They did all kinds of music, and they made a lot of mistakes, too. That really informed my listening.”

The kid took that lesson to heart. As a teenager, he learned to play bass and joined as many punk bands as he could. Soon, he started recording other punk bands — obscure groups that pressed only 500 seven-inch singles or a handful of CDs. He took a job at Prairie Sun Recording Studio, just north of San Francisco. “I thought Tom Waits owned it,” Sharon says with a laugh. “But he didn’t.”

And, eventually, he moved back to Oklahoma, settled down, got married, and opened his own studio in Norman. True to his Clash fandom, he doesn’t just record punk; in fact, his name has been connected with a recent resurgence of Sooner singer/songwriters who marry country twang and folk sophistication. In addition to Parker Millsap’s 2014 self-titled debut, Sharon helmed both of John Fullbright’s albums: 2012’s Grammy-nominated From the Ground Up and his 2014 follow-up, Songs.

What these and Sharon’s other projects (including the Grahams, Pat Travers, and the Turnpike Troubadours) have in common is a sense of intensity, an emphasis on performances that can be almost punk in their volatility. Sometimes they are wild and raucous, as with Millsap; but other times, they can be restrained and quiet, as with Fullbright’s Songs. Taking the Clash’s example, Sharon draws from a wide range of styles and settings and techniques, giving the sense that anything is possible at 115 Recording.

Tell me about 115 Recording. What’s your studio like?

The space has been here forever — well, something like 40 years. It’s built inside a warehouse, sort of a box within a box. Different people have had different studios here. I rebuilt it for a guy about 10 years ago, and he ended up wanting to get out of the business, so I bought it from him in 2008. It has a bit of a punk rock vibe.

How do you mean? Graffiti on the walls? Toilets ripped out like CBGB?

Only that it reminds me of the places I worked when I did punk records. It’s quite a bit nicer than any of those records, actually. It’s set up a bit like Studio B at Prairie Sun, where I used to work in California. It’s a rock 'n' roll studio, and it had a Trident console in it. That was a real punk rock desk. A lot of recordings were made with that series in the ‘80s. Now I think they’ve got Pete Townshend’s old Neve in there. I have a desk that reminds me of that Trident. It’s a good room. I don’t think Beyoncé or somebody like that would be very comfortable, but the bands I work with think it’s great. It’s got everything I need and not a whole lot of what I don’t … other than pianos. For a guy who doesn’t play piano, I seem to own a lot of pianos and keyboards. It’s a good workspace. People come here to work. There’s not a whole lot to do besides that.

Does that tend to keep people focused on the work? There’s always trouble to get into in New York or Los Angeles.

That’s a good point. Sometimes I wish maybe a bar was closer, so that people would have a place to go. It’s not like we’re out in the sticks. We’re actually close to a lot of stuff. There are restaurants within walking distance, so you can check out for 15 minutes. But there’s not a huge amount of distractions. We’re not next to a strip club or anything.

When you left California, what brought you back to Norman?

When I first came back, it was because I had broken up with a girlfriend. That was it. I just needed to get out of town. I came home and was around the people I needed to be around to get through that. And then I started recording. I’d just finished a session that paid quite a bit, so I had some money. I moved in with one of my best friends, April Tippens, who was in a band called Radial Spangle. They had a record deal with Beggars Banquet. We made some recordings there and that got me started on the idea of working out of a house. I did that for a while and just ended up staying. Oklahoma in the ‘90s was pretty cheap. It was cheaper for me to live and work in Oklahoma and fly back to sessions in California than it was for me to live and work out there.

Eventually, I found a place in a warehouse — another box inside a box — and I worked there for a while. We christened it the Devil’s Workshop. That was all about my grandma. We weren’t Satanists or anything. She was always asking me, "What do you do again? You listen to music all day?" She used to say idle hands were the devil’s workshop, and my friends and I thought that was funny. We printed these shirts that said, "If it sounds like hell, it was recorded at the Devil’s Workshop." It became a popular place for people to work. That was in Oklahoma City, but then I ended up getting married and my wife started working for the University of Oklahoma. She’s got a real job. So we moved to Norman. Go Sooners.

Has there ever been a temptation to move to a bigger city, like Nashville or Los Angeles?

I did John Fullbright’s record in 2012, and it was nominated for a Grammy, so the two of us went out there for the ceremony. And I ran into Don Was. I’d never met him before, but he’s the kind of guy who’s always the coolest person in the room all the time. He knew about John’s record and his first question for me was, "Did you do that record in Nashville?" I said, "No, I did it in Norman." He says, "What’s in Norman?" "Well, I am." And he says, "Right on!" I thought that was the greatest answer.

People ask me this all the time. It’s tempting. But if you go to Austin or Nashville or some place like that, you’re just another dude who does the exact same job. There would be a million of me. There’s a different attitude here. You’re not going to have business meetings out here. It’s going to be pretty laidback. When people come here, they come to work. And when they want to go somewhere else, they take me along.

I’ve made small records for a really long time. I did bigger stuff at Prairie Sun and worked with a lot of great people. I got to learn a lot. And, honestly, I missed that. I missed working within the culture of a community. At the end of your session, you walk out the studio door and there’s another guy walking out of another studio door: "How did your day go?" "Well, I did this and I did that." You know exactly what they mean. I miss that. In smaller markets — I hate to use that term — there aren’t a whole bunch of studios, so people in the business don’t tend to communicate. I’ve tried really hard to change that.

How so?

I’m actually a partner in another room here in Norman. I don’t work out of that room, but I helped the guy get started. He had worked in Nashville and Austin and had come home. His focus is completely different from mine, and it was good to help him. If I’m going to talk about community, I have to put my money where my mouth is. And when we want to geek out over something, we have each other. There are actually some guys here in town that I really admire. Norman, of all places, has quite a few recoding facilities. Trent Bell has a place here. He used to play in the Chainsaw Kittens. We’ve been friends since we were 18.

So there is a small community there.

There’s a lot of good stuff going on here. Tulsa is the same way. There are all these little pockets of music scenes around the state. That’s the thing I like about Oklahoma. It’s not like the rest of the country. It’s not Texas, and it’s definitely not L.A. or Nashville. Nothing against any of those places. I have friends who work and live in all those cities. But Oklahoma’s its own little thing. It’s my belief that the Flaming Lips could have come from no other place than Oklahoma. It used to be more obvious that this place was different. Our filter was different. In other places it seemed that everybody was influencing everybody else. Out here there was nobody to influence you at all. By the time it got to us, it was a little different. It had changed somehow.

I could pontificate and act like I know what I’m talking about, but there does seem to be a rhythm that’s very specific to this place. There’s something about the music that just feels right, and there’s a more direct lineage to things. If I’m working with Fullbright, I can hear the music of generations before him. He’s not doing an impersonation. It’s just a feel. But there are other artists and what they’re doing is an exact replica of something else.

So they’re not pushing anything forward?

This is only my experience, but I do remember when I was a kid, I had a very specific outlook on music. I really liked punk rock, and what I mean by that is, I could appreciate the Sex Pistols, but I really loved Big Black. It seemed like everybody in that scene was being themselves, and then it reached a point where suddenly everybody was wearing a uniform. I was probably late to the party figuring that out. I liked the Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin, and it was really uncool in that world to like those things. That’s what I mean by people doing an impersonation. They just like that one thing and that’s all they want to do.

Are you surprised to see some of the Oklahoma singer/songwriters get so much national attention?

It’s a little weird. But I can tell you this: At any point when I was working with John or Parker or the Turnpike Troubadours, I knew something was going on when we were making those records. It was unbelievable. I remember distinctly working on Fullbright’s first record and thinking, "Oh man, people have no idea what’s on the way. Either I am crazy or this is one of the best things I’ve ever heard." You don’t always feel that way. You might get that feeling about one song now and then, but it’s weird when you’re sitting on 10 or 12 songs that you think are going to be a huge deal. That record got a lot of attention. And then it happened again and then it happened again. What the hell?

All of those guys, they’re great songwriters. Evan Felker, John Fullbright, Parker Millsap, Jared Deck. They all have something. And there’s a whole stream of great songwriters coming up behind them. The thing about Norman and Tulsa is, there’s usually a club or two that becomes the hub for all these people to spin out of. It’s like Spin Art. So, by the time I get these guys in my room, they know where they’re headed. The thing that was so unusual was how young they all were. When I was that age, I didn’t have anything to say. My attitude was a bit more hedonistic. I just needed songs to play in front of people. But these guys have something to say. That’s so refreshing.

If they’re coming to you with an idea of where they’re going, how does that affect your role as a producer?

I happen to be friends with some of these guys now, but when they’re working with me, I’m just trying to be a good listener. They don’t need my friendship. They need a critical assessment of what they’re doing. I’m their audience. I have to be a good listener. I play bass, and I think bass players are really good listeners. They have to focus on the rhythm section in a way that other people might not. So we’ll work on the stuff that needs working on, but on a good day, I’m just here to capture the music. Some days you want to archive it, like field recording: This is what happened at that moment, and we didn’t touch a thing. But you always want it to be the best example of that song that it can be, and sometimes you want those songs to sound like it’s the first time they’ve ever been played and sometimes you want them to sound like the band has been playing them for years.

Ultimately, you’re just trying to get it to where somebody will want to hear it more than once. The way things are now, these guys are going to make their living playing shows, which means a record should hold up for two years. They need something that they can work for a couple of years, until they’re ready for another one. It should bear repeated listening, and you’re just trying to get the song to that place. I try to be a fan, and I think I’m better at that than anything else. I try to be a good listener and a good sounding board. Your mom and your girlfriend are going to love everything you do. Probably. Unless they’re out to get you. But I need to be able to tell someone his song isn’t good or this other demo they don’t like is the best thing they’ve done.

How did you get into roots and Americana after what sounds like a long career in punk?

The way I got into this crowd was, I started playing with Ryan Engelman, the guitar player for the Troubadours, and I would always make the same joke: The most punk rock thing I could do now is play country music. We were doing honkytonk stuff and playing it loud and fast. But if you look at punk — and I’m not talking about the more contemporary versions of it, but the stuff that was happening when I was younger — it was a form of folk art. The '80s were a good time for music because people had a lot to be angry about. And I was young enough to observe it and eventually be a part of it.

Folk art of any variety is trying to connect immediately with an observer. That’s the part of what I do now that reminds me of what I was doing when I was young. It’s this real immediate thing. It’s not overly polished. What I would consider the most punk rock thing about the guys I work with is that they’re about as close as you can get to an honest subject. Everything on Jared Deck’s record really happened. I know that because I know him; but I think it comes off that way, even if you don’t know him. Fullbright’s the same way. And Evan Felker. They may cover it up one way or another, but I guarantee you that they know about that topic and they’re telling you the truth.

 

Dig producers? Check out this conversation with Joe Henry.


Photo credit: Youngsun Yun

 

An Apocalyptic Mood: A Conversation with Parker Millsap

When Americana fans met Parker Millsap, he was barely out of high school. He may have been wailing about truckers and God with a fiddle and a formidable backbeat, but the Pentecostal-raised Millsap’s raspy, Isbell-esque vocals on breakout single “Truckstop Gospel” delivered the familiar tropes with a particular wit. That wit, his rich voice, and the performances it yielded were enough to garner a nod for Millsap at the Americana Music Awards in 2014, and his remarkable strength as a poet and writer — coupled with his relatively young career — made his sophomore LP all the more hotly anticipated.

The album itself, entitled The Very Last Day and slated for release on March 25, continues Millsap’s evolution as a storyteller. Tracks like “Heaven Sent,” which narrates a young gay man bargaining with a religious father, or “Hands Up,” a ballad about a convenience store robbery, bring Millsap’s gift for character development to the forefront. One need only glance at the liner notes to know that his words are put to fine use, from the involvement of producer Gary Paczosa — known for his work with Alison Krauss and John Prine — to vocal contributions from contemporaries like Sarah Jarosz. 

So tell me about you growing up – when did you start getting into music?

Well, I grew up singing at church — you know, starting at age four or something like that — and when I was about nine, I started playing guitar. When I was about 13 or 14, I started playing in bands, just around my hometown. Right about then is when I started getting into songwriting because I wanted to have original material to play with the various bands I was in. Also, during high school, I had an English teacher who really got me into words, got me into writing, like a creative writing class. That all happened at about the same time.

I like that. Are you still much of a reader?

Absolutely. Kurt Vonnegut, Tom Robbins, Jon Steinbeck: Those are three of my favorites. They’re all kind of different writers, but they’re all creative in a funny way. Steinbeck’s really subtle, which I like — in a funny and a not-funny way. I think Kurt Vonnegut’s funny in a morbid and kind of existential way. Tom Robbins is kind of crazy.

What about writing this record, specifically?

I wrote these songs over a period of about two years. We were touring a whole lot, leading up to making the record. They just kind of accumulated. I went through a bunch of different phases while writing this record, from Arcade Fire to Roy Orbison to Motown — kind of all over the place, as far as what I was listening to. At the same time, I was watching The Walking Dead and reading a bunch of post-apocalyptic books: Stand by Stephen King, Cormac McCarthy’s The Road. I was kind of in an apocalyptic mood for a minute.

That’s interesting. You definitely have a storytelling angle to your songs.

I grew up listening to a lot of singer/songwriters who did that — who used storytelling as a way to write songs — so it wasn’t very foreign to me. At the same time, I like to read. I love fiction, so I was familiar with the concept that the author isn’t the character in the story. It makes for more options [Laughs] … at least when it comes to songwriting.

Your instrumentation changed up a bit on this album.

Yeah.

Tell me about what that brings to the record for you.

I’ve played electric guitar for about as long as I’ve played acoustic guitar. I just, when I got into songwriting, I started playing acoustic guitar more because that was what all the singer/songwriters that I listened to did. So it didn’t feel unnatural at all. It came down to serving the songs — I had these songs, and we just dressed them up how they needed to be dressed up.

Y’all lived at the studio, right — not just figuratively?

Yeah, for like two weeks. The whole time we were recording, we lived upstairs — above the recording studio. So we just got to go hang out and be a band and record for a week. Gary is kind of an audio wizard on top of being a great producer because he’s very relaxed — he’s not trying to force anything. It makes a big difference.

What makes a song stand out to you?

If it seems sincere … if it’s got mojo … that’s what I listen for.

I really like the new Alabama Shakes record. It’s kind of … I don’t know … it’s a creative record. It doesn’t sound like they’re trying to do anything other than what they do, and I really like that — I appreciate that. It sounds authentic. It’s got mojo.

[Laughs] That, it does. So you said you started out in church, and you see religious references in your songs. Is that intentional? Do you feel like that informs your work?

It just offers a perspective, really. It’s just a perspective I grew up in. It’s easy, when I’m writing a story or a song, to go there. Those references come naturally to me, I think, is all it is.

I didn’t realize growing up that not that many people were raised the way that I was. It was a pretty normal life. I didn’t live in a super strictly religious household — we watched TV, we listened to secular music. I wasn’t that isolated or anything. I did get to see really spirited live music three times a week, people really playing. In church, nobody’s really performing for anybody else — you’re just doing it. There’s a certain thing about that you can only get in that situation.

What about coming from Oklahoma and that music scene?

The music scene in Oklahoma is kind of small, but it’s a pretty dedicated group of people that go see shows and go play shows. Mike [Rose, his bassist] and I, how we kind of turned that into making money, is that we played this place every Tuesday for two years. Before that, we went to this thing called the Tuesday Night Music Club on Tuesday nights. It’s just Cushing, Oklahoma, so it’s just a songwriting circle in this lady’s house, but John Fulbright would show up or other Oklahoma songwriters, and we’d just play music in the living room on Tuesdays. So that’s how I got hooked up with the Oklahoma scene — I got to meet a lot of older songwriters who had been doing it for a while.

But you recently moved to Nashville, right?

Nashville is different. I grew up in a town of less than 10,000 people. [Laughs] And then I moved from there to a town with about 10,000 people, and from there to Nashville. Nashville’s a little faster. I like it. I live in Inglewood. There’s a lot more to do. There’s also a lot more traffic — I’m used to "across town" meaning "about five minutes." [Laughs]

That’s the truth. You have some people who sang with you on the record — Sarah Jarosz, Sara Watkins, Aoife O’Donovan — that’s some pretty lovely company. How did those collaborations happen?

We got in touch with the girls because Gary said, "Hey, this could be some great harmony." I said, "Hell yeah." And he said, "I know some girls." So he got them all over and it worked. It was super-easy — they were all super-easy to work with. Great voices. It’s always fun to bring other people in to work on a song, because you get someone from the outside and they come at it from a different angle. It’s something different that’s usually better than going at it alone.

One of the songs that struck me on the record was “Hands Up.”

That one just started out with the idea of … well, a lot of my songs start out like, "What if there was a song where … blank?" So that one was like, "What if there was a song where there was a guy robbing a convenience store?" From there, it just happened. I just sat down and started working on it. It’s funny, you start with a character and, by the end of writing the song, you know more about him.

On a related note, I’ve seen you talk about nursery rhymes and Bible stories and the varying perspectives in them — the fact that the story you’re taught isn’t necessarily the whole story. Do you ever include that same duality in your songs on purpose?

I just find it interesting to write from the first person. So that’s … I guess actors do it, when the tape’s on: You get to be somebody else for a second. Just like, "What’s it like? What’s that like? What’s it like to be this person or that person?" It keeps it interesting for me.


Photo credit: Laura E. Partain

AMERICANA MUSIC AWARD NOMINATIONS 2013

BY Z.N. LUPETIN

Though the ceremony was brief, there was a festive and electric atmosphere in the Clive Davis Theater in LA Live yesterday. AXS TV was filming the proceedings and as usual Jim Lauderdale was the grinning ringleader, joining his long time partner in crime Buddy Miller and their house band in a galloping version of the late George Jones’ “The Race Is On” to open the show. Honoring Mr. Jones was a fitting way to start, as it seems much of the AMA’s main mission is to honor and bring respect to roots, acoustic and folk artists and traditions, not merely hype them.

T-Bone Burnett was in the house in a stylishly funereal black suit and called Americana music our nation’s “greatest cultural export”, with men like Louis Armstrong being our greatest ambassadors imaginable. He was particularly impressed with the newest crop of young musicians making a name for themselves while subtly sampling specific traditions of the last century. He then introduced the skinny-tied, close-harmony experts The Milk Carton Kids who, if you haven’t seen them, really do live up the hype they’ve been accruing on a near constant touring schedule of theaters and festivals. While some may criticize the whispery, choir-boy similarities to early Simon and Garfunkel (think “Wednesday Morning: 3AM”), really they seem to be exemplifying precisely the something-old-and-something-new dynamic that T-Bone was referencing. One can’t help but lean forward in your seat when they play. Plus they are quite funny chaps – noting that since T-Bone Burnett had introduced them on live TV, they must suddenly be famous.

Of course, being famous and overexposed in a main stream sense is not something The AMA community seems all that interested in. Authenticity, skill and artistry rule the roost. As the Milk Carton Kids wrapped up with a deliciously deconstructed version of “Swing Low”, they noted the most important thing about Americana fans is that they cut the bullshit and actually listen. Jed Hilly, executive director of the AMAs followed the lads at the podium, noting that the awards were about showcasing the community as a whole.

Lauderdale and Miller thundered through “Lost The Job Of Loving You” and the Flatt & Scruggs favorite “The Train To Carry My Gal From Town” before introducing the day’s surprise guest – Lisa Marie Presley. She seemed tiny next to the lanky Lauderdale and T-bone as the men backed her on a sad, low-drawled ballad, but her voice was in prime form: soulful, weary, deep. Americana? It’s the shit the masses ignored, Presley remarked, with just a hint of edge in her voice…as if to say: what is their problem anyway?

Next up, Elizabeth Cook brought a bit of her twang and sunshiny humor into the room – plugging her new gospel album while also wondering if someone like her should be doing religious music at all – “I might burst into flames at any moment” she cracked, sending out one of her tunes to Buddha, Allah…whoever! Actually she brings up a good point. If Americana involves the whole spectrum of American song-craft, one must add gospel as perhaps the deepest root of the tree – and the genre maybe most available for evolution and transformation.

After 45 minutes of stories and songs, Presley and Cook got together behind the podium to read the nominations. Among the recurring stand-outs this year were old favorites Emmylou Harris, Richard Thompson and Buddy and Jim but none seemed to get more love than Charleston, SC-based duo Shovels and Rope, who AMA members voted for early and often: tapping them in the Emerging Artist category as well as Song Of The Year, Duo or Group of The Year and Album of The Year for their release “O’ Be Joyful” (Dualtone). It was almost surprising but welcome to see a rare mainstream hit single, “Ho Hey” by the Lumineers also be included. See? There is money in it!

Emerging artists like fellow Oklahomans John Fullbright and JD McPherson, the aforementioned Milk Carton Kids and Shovels and Rope show that the future of the Americana and roots community is in good hands.

For a full list of nominees and more information about the Americana Music Association, visit http://americanamusic.org

THE BIG BONNAROO LINEUP ANNOUNCEMENT

 

Two months ago, we told you the big news:  WE’RE HEADED TO BONNAROO.

But DUH you already knew that.  Now it’s time for the announcement we’re REALLY excited about:  who’s playing the Sitch stage!  For an announcement this big, we have none other than our own ED HELMS to give you the scoop on what’s coming your way June 15 and 16 (black tie optional)

 

 

There are plenty of other Bonnaroo-related surprises in store for both those attending and folks who can’t make it to Manchester this year.  But one thing is for sure….

…it’s going to be quite the Situation.