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You Gotta Hear This: New Music From Rising Appalachia, Tim O’Brien, and More

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What a week in music! Not only has our Artist of the Month, Kaia Kater, released her new album Strange Medicine today, but we’ve also got an absolutely incredible premiere round-up filled to bursting with brand new videos, songs, and tracks.

First, there’s transcendent sister duo Rising Appalachia with a James Blake/Bon Iver cover, “I Need a Forest Fire,” and Tim O’Brien pays tribute to iconic folk songwriter Tom Paxton with a song they co-wrote, “You Took Me In.” Plus, don’t miss new songs from Ellorie McKnight, Natalie Spears, and Nick Taylor.

We round out our list with two premieres that debuted on BGS earlier in the week, a new one from Alisa Amador’s just announced album that features Madison Cunningham and Meadow Mountain continue their SkyTheory Sessions series with “Waiting for Tomorrow.”

It’s all right here on BGS and to be perfectly honest, You Gotta Hear This!

Rising Appalachia, “I Need a Forest Fire”

Artist: Rising Appalachia
Hometown: Asheville, North Carolina
Song: “I Need a Forest Fire”
Album: Folk and Anchor
Release Date: May 17, 2024

In Their Words: “‘I Need A Forest Fire,’ is our interpretation of a rich and righteous James Blake track. We have been big fans of his artistry and aural weavings for many years and wanted to do a folk rendition of this striking song. The texture of its sounds stretch far and wide in atmospheric rhythms as well as the lyrics and it took some deep digging to conceptualize what Blake was perhaps trying to say… Our interpretation is this:

“We live in a time of rapidly destructive (and so often man-made) wildfires in many parts of this planet. Singing a song that says ‘we need a wildfire’ felt cautionary, but enticing, as we explored the many metaphors that ‘forest fire’ could represent. We came to believe it is about the burning of the ego, the take down of destructive habits and destructive relationships, even destructive sides of self. In a time where everyone is on one side of the coin or the other, in a highly polarized nation, a burning symbolizes a great reset. A death and rebirth cycle. We hope you enjoy our take on this track as much as we have enjoyed stretching into its different sounds.” – Rising Appalachia

Tim O’Brien, “You Took Me In” (from Bluegrass Sings Tom Paxton)

Artist: Tim O’Brien
Song: “You Took Me In”
Album: Bluegrass Sings Paxton
Release Date: May 17, 2024 (single)
Label: Mountain Home Music Company

In Their Words: “Jan and I came of age listening to and then singing Paxton songs before we ever knew his name. We both learned ‘Last Thing on My Mind’ and sang it around campfires before we met each other. So like a lot of folks, we kinda have Paxton in our musical DNA.

“Tom has been friendly and supportive over the years and in recent years often expressed his desire to write together. With this project, push came to shove and Jan and I wrote ‘You Took Me In’ with Tom on our second session. I had the lyric idea and imagined some Earl Scruggs-style gospel guitar as backing. We had the song in about an hour. When we were done I asked Tom how many songs he’d written that week and he said, ‘I’ve written four songs today!’

“Paxton’s early songs were the kind that sorta begged audiences to sing along. This one reaches in that direction. I love how simple and direct it is. Since that day, the three of us have written another 15 songs, all of which are daring Jan and I to record them, so stay tuned. Songs are like little puzzles that a certain strata of musicians have fun solving. We’re just honored to sit beside Tom, even if only virtually, as he does his masterful thing. He knows to let the song happen. He can pull a lyric from an instrumental riff, he improvises easily, and you can just trust him. When he says to go higher with the melody or go to the four chord, we’re never afraid to follow.” – Tim O’Brien

Track Credits:
Tim O’Brien – Guitar, lead vocal
Jan Fabricius – Mandolin, harmony vocal
Shad Cobb – Fiddle, harmony vocal
Mike Bub – Upright bass

Ellorie McKnight, “Whitepass”

Artist: Ellorie McKnight
Hometown: Whitehorse, Yukon
Song: “Whitepass”
Album: Equinox
Release Date: May 3, 2024

In Their Words: “White Pass is a magical, remote mountainous area connecting Yukon’s southwest with Alaska. If you’re driving from Whitehorse, YT to Skagway, AK, you pass through mountains and boreal forest until you reach the Canadian border crossing, after which the road winds through 25km of treeless, rugged alpine terrain before dropping down towards the ocean, where you then drive through the US border and then into the coastal ecosystem of Skagway. There is no reception on this stretch of road and no sign of humans except for the road and the border patrol buildings.

“This part of the world is like a dream in summer: the sound of creeks is loud and the wild blueberries are everywhere. In the winter, the area is mystical no matter the weather, with meters of snow blanketing the valleys and mountains. I was making the trip from Whitehorse to Skagway in the middle of winter one year, late at night, to visit a friend. There was a raging blizzard and snow drifts forming on the road, it was hard to see more than a few feet ahead and the going was slow. I pulled over to catch my breath and stepped outside. The wind was steady and the sharp snowflakes bit into my cheeks. I looked up and was surprised when I saw a waxing moon in a clear night sky just above the fog of the ground blizzard. It was a moment of awe, of wonder, of feeling so intertwined with the earth and yet also so small. The song ‘Whitepass’ tries to capture the many similar moments I’ve felt spending time in this stunning part of the world.” – Ellorie McKnight

Track Credits: 
Ellorie McKnight – Guitar and vocals
Brigitte Desjardins – Drums
Jeff Dineley – Upright bass
Ryan McNally – Pedal steel and harmonies
Kieran Poile – Fiddle

Video Credit: Midnight Light Media

Natalie Spears, “Hymn Of Wild Things”

Artist: Natalie Spears
Hometown: Carbondale, Colorado
Song: “Hymn Of Wild Things”
Album: Hymn Of Wild Things
Release Date: May 17, 2024 (single); June 28, 2024 (album)
Label: SleeLee

In Their Words: “Early one chilly autumn morning, I awoke to the chortling cries of Sandhill Cranes echoing through our town. Their sound is one like no other, awkward, beautiful, and haunting. It is a sound that we only hear a few times a year as they journey along their migratory path towards warmer shores. Whenever I hear them, I drop everything I’m doing and try to find them. On that particular morning, I got up with my sweet pup and followed their cries to a local nature park near my home. The clouds were sunk low in the valley and although we could hear them close by, we still couldn’t see them. We sat quietly waiting and eventually the sun’s heat lifted the clouds revealing the ghostly shapes of two beautiful Sandhill Cranes. The words to this song began to take shape in my mind and it was then that Hymn Of Wild Things was born.” – Natalie Spears

Track Credits:
Written by Natalie Spears (BMI)
Produced by Jayme Stone

Natalie Spears – Voice
Christine Bougie – Guitars, lap steel
Pat Keen – Bass
Jayme Stone – Synth, drum programming

Nick Taylor, “Dogs”

Artist: Nick Taylor
Hometown: Austin, Texas
Song: “Dogs”
Album: Not Alone
Release Date: June 21, 2024

In Their Words: “As one of the earliest compositions I laid down for the album, it’s personal and cathartic, a reflection of the anxiety that’s been an ongoing part of my persona. Sometimes it gets particularly overwhelming and that’s how this song was born. It speaks to uncertainty — how it manifests, how it’s perceived by others, and how it affects those around us. When we went into the studio to record it, it just came alive. It was important to me to get it out into the world. It’s the song that inspired the album title, Not Alone, but more importantly, it explores topics that society tends to dismiss — especially when it comes to matters having to do with mental health, insecurity and stability. It calls for understanding and in that regard, my hope is that it will help anyone dealing with a similar situation feel less alone.

“‘Dogs’ is such an emotional song, almost a confessional, that we wanted to make sure the video felt personal. Shooting just one scene created a space where the lyrics were being recited directly to the audience and I think that format really works well with the song. Huge thanks to Will and the team for their vision and direction.” – Nick Taylor

Track Credits:
Written by Nicholas Taylor Wimberg

Nick Taylor – Lead vocals
Wayne Killius – Drums
Dave Francis – Bass
David Flint – Electric and acoustic guitars
Chris Nole – Piano/keys

Video Credits:
Produced by Charlotte Avenue Entertainment
Directed by William Gawley
Shot by Austin Boylen and Dominick Sotis

Meadow Mountain, “Waiting for Tomorrow” (SkyTheory Sessions)

Artist: Meadow Mountain
Hometown: Denver, Colorado
Song: “Waiting for Tomorrow”
Album: June Nights
Release Date: May 13, 2024 (single)

In Their Words: “This song attempts to answer the question, ‘What if, instead of starting the band Foo Fighters, Dave Grohl had picked up a mandolin and spent a year exclusively listening to Alison Krauss & Union Station?’ I guess I was doing a lot of thinking and writing about time – the great healer, but also that which brings an end to all things. And then a new beginning. This is a song about time, and hope.” – Jack Dunlevie

More here.

Alisa Amador, “Heartless Author” (feat. Madison Cunningham)

Artist: Alisa Amador
Hometown: Boston, Massachusetts
Song: “Heartless Author” (featuring Madison Cunningham)
Album: Multitudes
Release Date: June 7, 2024
Label: Thirty Tigers

In Their Words: “I love this song. I love it because it acknowledges all of the uncertainties and pain of life and it shines compassion on all of it. ‘It’s okay not to know.’ It was such a joy to sing this one with Madison Cunningham. She learned it right then and there in the studio, and her voice says so much.” – Alisa Amador

More here.

Photo Credit: Rising Appalachia by Syd Woodward; Tim O’Brien by Scott Simontacchi

WATCH: Joseph Decosimo, “The Fox Chase / Lost Gander”

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Artist: Joseph Decosimo
Hometown: Durham, North Carolina
Song: “The Fox Chase / Lost Gander”
Album: While You Were Slumbering
Release Date: November 11, 2022
Label: Sleepy Cat Records

In Their Words: “Here’s one for all of y’all who’ve lost a dog. I recorded it at home, DIY style, singing and playing all the instruments — fiddles, banjo, pump organ — a while back, thinking it was a lovely pairing of old pieces, but when my dear dog Charlie died last August, this ballad about a dog wandering into the cosmos opened up some space for me to grieve my departed friend. I drew both pieces from the beautiful singing and playing of the Tennessee ballad singer and banjo player Dee Hicks, who sang over 400 songs — 200 of which he learned from his family. An old English hunting ballad, ‘The Fox Chase’ dates to the late 1600s but made its way with the Hicks family onto Tennessee’s Cumberland Plateau, where their hounds sounded out across the tablelands and gorges. The second piece, the ‘Lost Gander,’ is a rare, regional banjo number in a special tuning that allows the shimmering chimes that Dee Hicks said sounded like geese honking in the sky at night. My friend and label pal Gabe Anderson had his departed hound Amos in mind as he put this video together with beautiful watercolors and sketches from N.C. visual artist Larissa Wood. I grew up on the southern end of the plateau and love how her watercolors capture this special landscape.” — Joseph Decosimo

Photo Credit: Libby Rodenbough

California Duo Mapache Draw From a Dog’s Life on an Easy Breezy Album

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Since the friendship between Clay Finch and Sam Blasucci began as kids, Blasucci’s Boston Terrier Roscoe has been in the picture. So, when it came time to record their third original album, the duo that make up California jam-folk band Mapache felt it was only right to pay tribute to their four-legged friend and sometimes tourmate. Roscoe’s Dream, out June 10 on Innovative Leisure, finds Finch and Blasucci zeroing in on the dreamy, sun-drenched California sound that reared them in La Cañada Flintridge, a small town north of Los Angeles at the foot of the Verdugo Mountains. Golden State influences like the Grateful Dead and The Byrds can be heard in Mapache’s loose guitars and warm harmonies, a tailor-made soundtrack for barefoot dancing and frosty beers.

Roscoe’s Dream is a jampacked double album that begins and ends with, well, Roscoe. The coming-of-age love letter “I Love My Dog” and the sweet instrumental title track (complete with Roscoe’s bark) bookend a collection of tunes that range from romantic, Spanish-language swooners like “Nicolette,” soft folksy ones like “Tend Your Garden,” and twangy stoner grooves like “Pearl to the Swine.” Two covers, Bo Diddley’s “Diana” (1962) and Gabby Pahinui’s “Kaua’i Beauty” (1973), though far apart in terms of genre, come together as album highlights under the Mapache sound umbrella.

BGS: This album feels, in a celebratory way, like festival music. It’s really jammy and there’s a real easy breezy California aesthetic. How much does California—being from there and now making most of your music there—impact your sound?

Sam: The environment and the landscape is probably the biggest thing that would influence how your music sounds, other than the actual music you listen to. So where we live, geographically, sort of is unescapable when we’re trying to write music because you can’t really write anything other than that. It just comes out in a way that’s affected by what you see all around you, where you live.

Clay: We’ve also embraced that culture. We really love it, the environment and the culture. We were fortunate enough to grow up here and it’s something we’ve embraced because we love it. I think Grateful Dead is a pretty quintessential California sound and that’s definitely been a big part of our friendship and musical development. But there’s so many bands you would put in that classic California category and those have all been artists that are important to us, too.

There are a few Spanish-language songs on the album, which also feel emblematic of the California sound. Are you both fluent in Spanish? How did those songs come together?

Sam: We’re pretty good. I’m fluent because I lived [in Mexico] for a couple years. Living [in Southern California] you get pretty good at Spanish either way if you’re out there talking to people. As far as using language goes, it opens up a lot of doors that are sort of inaccessible when you just speak in the one language that you grew up speaking. Because words have different meanings, or double meanings, and also the way the words are pronounced as far as phrasing and writing melodies and just stringing poetry together, it’s a lot broader when you have a whole other language to use as a vehicle.

What is your relationship to bluegrass music, if any? Do you count it as one of the influences in your sound?

Clay: It’s definitely an influence on our sound. We both grew up listening to it, and even though there might not be too much straight-ahead bluegrass music on the most recent record, it’s definitely a large part of what we digest, or have been, over the last 15 years of listening to music.

Sam: The Stanley Brothers were really big for both of us.

Tell us about Roscoe, the album’s namesake. Does he like the new songs?

Sam: I think so, yeah. I’ve had him for 15 years now and—this is Jack, another dog that we love.

(They pan the phone camera to a dog sleeping deeply on the floor beside them.)

Clay: Oh yeah, this is Jack. This is Roscoe’s archnemesis.

Sam: I think “I Love My Dog” and the general public appreciation for Roscoe came from just trying to be as honest with the songwriting as possible… It was sort of the most honest thing to say at that time, was how much we loved the dogs because they were so present in our lives.

Clay: Maybe more than our love of music is our love of laughing at dogs and pictures of dogs making funny faces. And Roscoe is a hilarious dog, so it was an opportunity for us to continue sharing pictures of him, but now on a broader level. Sam, since he was like 13, has been showing me funny pictures of Roscoe mid-conversation.

(Sam pulls out a photo of Roscoe posing like it’s school picture day.)

Yeah that’s a human in a dog costume.

Clay: Bringing him closer to the music is mostly just an extension of our greatest love, which is the joy of laughing at dogs.

Sam: Someone said the other day, “That’s the dog from ‘I Love My Dog!’”

What can you share about the sound effects on the record, like cards shuffling (“Así Es Le Vida”), something that sounded like dolphins or seals (“They Don’t Know at the Beach”), and Roscoe’s barks at the end?

Sam: Roscoe does that whenever someone knocks on the door anywhere, so we had someone record him and then put it at the end of that last song.

Clay: The other sound effects are a secret. It’s seals, but we can’t tell you where they came from. We don’t want to get in trouble with animal rights people.

You recorded at your usual spot, Dan Horne’s Lone Palm Studio in Echo Park, Los Angeles. Is that home for you at this point?

Clay: We used to live there, at the studio. For a couple years we lived in the house where the studio is.

Sam: That’s a quality that is kind of rare in recording studios and environments where everything is go, go, go, and get as much done as you can because time and money is limited. But with Dan it was always taken at a pace that was really organic, which I think made all the songs work the way they did.

Clay: We had so much time because we were actually in a pod. That was gnarly pandemic times so we couldn’t break the pod and we had nothing else to do besides hang out with Dan. He couldn’t record anybody else. We feel really comfortable there and Dan is one of our best friends. He’s almost like another member of the band, too, with all he’s contributed recording and then also playing bass on a lot of stuff. The relationship is easy, as opposed to some random guy you don’t know named like, “Eric” or something. And you’re like, “What’s his name again?” Sometimes it moves a little bit slow because we’re buddies. Like maybe “Eric” would set some shit up beforehand or not bail to go feed his children or something.

Sam: “Eric” if you’re listening, you can contact us.

Sam, you recently moved up to Ojai, and Clay, you moved to Malibu. How has it been living apart and still finding time to play and write together?

Clay: Mostly it’s just draining our bank accounts. We still see each other a lot but we just have no money because we’re constantly filling up our cars to drive across Southern California.

Maybe that could be good meditative time to write.

Sam: The 405 is great, bumper to bumper.

Clay: The new angry album from Mapache.

Sam: The road rage album.

This album seems like it will be a blast to play live. What’s the setup looking like for the tour?

Clay: We’ve been doing one acoustic set, then taking a short break, and then playing with the band. That’s something we’ve always wanted to do and it’s something that a lot of artists that we’ve looked up to have done. Mostly it’s the best way to try to play all of that music. There are some songs that we want to play acoustic still, that we don’t want to put into a whole band format and vice versa. For example, some of the Spanish songs, we don’t want to play them with an electric band. It just wouldn’t sound the way we would want it to sound. And then we’ve also been playing some of the older acoustic songs with the electric band so we can breathe some new life into songs that we’ve been playing four or five years. It just gives us a lot to play with, having two different sets like that. We’re not the kind of band that wants to dial in a perfect show that is rehearsed and rehearsed. We try to do a different set list every night.

Photo Credit: Nick Walker

WATCH: Maya de Vitry, “Dogs Run On”

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Artist: Maya de Vitry
Hometown: Lancaster, Pennsylvania
Song: “Dogs Run On”
Album: Violet Light
Release Date: January 28, 2022
Label: Mad Maker Studio

In Their Words: “I grew up with a black lab named Georgia who was like a fifth sibling in our family. A little while after Georgia passed away, my parents got another black lab named Sylvie (she’s the one in this video). A lot of my musician friends got to meet Sylvie over the years, snuggling with her for a little bit while passing through Pennsylvania on tours. When Sylvie got sick in 2020, I really thought I was going to get to see her again, and at first I wrote a completely different song — it was called ‘Hold On, Sylvie.’ I finally realized I just wasn’t going to get to see her again, and the song became ‘Dogs Run On.’ My parents cared for their sweet friend until the difficult end, and Sylvie passed away in the sunshine in my mom’s arms in November 2020. Many thanks to Chris ‘Critter’ Eldridge for embodying the playful spirit of dogs in his gorgeous lead guitar playing on this track. Critter, Kristin Andreassen, and Ethan Jodziewicz are all such dog lovers, and it was really meaningful to make this song with them. This song is for all the best dogs, running through our hearts forever.” — Maya de Vitry

Photo Credit: Laura Partain

LISTEN: Hey, King!, “Get Up”

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Artist: Hey, King!
Hometown: Ontario, Canada and Tucson, Arizona
Song: “Get Up”
Album: Hey, King!
Release Date: April 2, 2021
Label: ANTI-

In Their Words: “I feel like every serious, emotionally raw album can use a breath of lightness. When Taylor dared me to write a song from our dogs’ perspective I thought it would be a fun experiment, but we fell in love with the track and are so happy it made it on the record!” — Natalie London, Hey, King!

Photo credit: Richard Fournier

WATCH: Saugeye, “Keystone Lillie”

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Artist: Saugeye
Hometown: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Song: “Keystone Lillie”
Album: Saugeye
Release Date: January 29, 2021
Label: Horton Records

In Their Words: “The chorus of ‘Keystone Lillie’ came to me the day after my pup Lillie passed, as I was observing some of the holes she dug in the yard. The rest of the song unfolded soon after and became a tribute to our time together. Saugeye had been playing the song live at shows so we wanted to include it on this first record. Lillie was a rescue dog, but truth be told she rescued me.” — Jared Tyler

Photo credit: Phil Clarkin. L-R: Seth Lee Jones, Jared Tyler, Jake Lynn and Casey Van Beek

LISTEN: Abigail Dowd, “To Have a Friend”

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Artist: Abigail Dowd
Hometown: Greensboro, North Carolina
Song: “To Have a Friend”
Album: Not What I Seem
Release Date: April 5, 2019

In Their Words: “‘To Have a Friend’ was written for an animated film about a dog that’s being created by Out of Our Minds Animation Studios. After they sent me the script, I knew I wanted to write the song from the dog’s perspective, a song that gives a voice to all the dogs out there who need a home. But, however you hear the song, I think a lot of folks can relate, especially to the importance of companionship.

“Writing this song, I would read through the script and then take my dog, who is a rescue, for a long walk. I call them ‘song walks’ and most of this one was written that way, stopping to jot down lyrics as they came. When we were recording the song, my friend Sam Frazier came to the studio and laid down a beautiful second guitar track. There are a handful of musicians who really strike a chord and raise the bar high for me; Sam is one of those. I love any chance we get to play together and so it was a real honor to have him on this song.” — Abigail Dowd

Photo credit: Todd Turner

3×3: Grant Earl LaValley on Crocs, Coens, and Climbing Trees

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Artist: Grant Earl LaValley
Hometown: Columbus, OH — now residing in Joshua Tree, CA
Latest Album: From LaValley Below
Personal Nicknames: Grantasaurus, Granny, Early

If you could safely have any animal in the world as a pet, which would you choose?

My very own doggo, Herschel. He’s my cookies and cream poodle Dalmatian shagadelic dream.

Do your socks always match?

I try really hard to make it so.

If you could have a superpower, what would you choose?

I would make goblins.

 

Yo

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Which describes you as a kid — tree climber, video gamer, or book reader?

Tree climber, for sure.

Who was the best teacher you ever had — and why?

I really like listening to Alan Watts lecture, but I absolutely learn the most from all of my friends.

What’s your favorite city?

I love how San Francisco used to be before the tech world took over, but I haven’t seen all the cities yet so …

 

Tanks fer duh flag @boi_raa

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Boots or sneakers?

I only wear Crocs (jk!)

Which brothers do you prefer — Avett, Wood, Stanley, Comatose, or Louvin?

Coen

Head or heart?

Each would die without the other, so I prefer both.

3×3: Lillie Mae on Time Jumping, Train Riding, and Touring without Dogs

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Artist: Lillie Mae
Hometown: Nashville is home! But hometown was any RV park or parking lot across America until the year 2000 when Nashville became home. 
Latest Album: Forever and Then Some
Personal Nicknames: LM

If you could go back (or forward) to live in any decade, when would you choose?

My decade of choice? Whatever decade will let me travel by horse … But not too early for instrument STRINGS to not be easily accessible. And I’d like to be a boy then, also, because I wouldn’t be happy wearing them hot-ass thousand-degree dresses (been there). Though they sure are pretty!

Who would be your dream co-writer?

My dream co-write? Does the dream get half????? Shoooooot, rats! 

If a song started playing every time you entered the room, what would you want it to be?

“Raging Rivers” sung by my friend Billy Droze, written by my friend Kathy Hudson

 

Killer gig last nite !!!!!! Thanks for the photo miss jaedra Wedel!

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What is the one thing you can’t survive without on tour?

Can’t survive without INSTRUMENTS and dogs. (I do survive without dogs on tour occasionally, but it’s pointless and way, way, way less fun.) Toothbrush … and a football helps things along sometimes … all the time!

What are you most afraid of?

I’m afraid of letting people down!!!!!!!! It’s my least favorite thing. Example? Possibly forgetting the words or a part or simply not performing to my capability.   

Who is your celebrity crush?

No celebrity crush this week. (I don’t have a TV or a computer, so I’m kind of out of the loop.)

 

Having a blast on the road with @BenHarper & The Innocent Criminals! by @mcspixs at Soul Kitchen last Saturday.

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Pickles or olives?

Olives, but how about less salt olives?

Plane, train, or automobile?

Hate flying, my arms are always tired when we get to the gig! (hehehehe) TRAINS every day! And I love driving, so yes to trains and cars. Preferably pick-up trucks. But I’d trade both of them for a horse or two.  

Which is worse — rainy days or Mondays?

Mondays, we get to start anew, and it was my only day off Lower Broadway for 10 years plus … and the Time Jumpers play, so we need those. And we need rainy days!!!! Both are treasured!