BGS 5+5: Dougie Poole

Artist: Dougie Poole
Hometown: Brooklyn, New York
Latest Album: The Rainbow Wheel of Death

What’s your favorite memory from being on stage?

Once I was playing at The Glove, a great old DIY venue in Brooklyn. It was a hot night in the summer and I was playing to a fairly empty room. I started a song called “Elbow” which is a country waltz that probably tops out at around 80bpm. And when I did, a group of four or five friends began to writhe and grind right in front of the stage. It was such a silly sight, these young sweaty kids grinding to a slow country waltz, that I caught the giggles and couldn’t get through the words of the song. For years after, if I happened to think of that night during another performance, I’d lose my place in the song or forget the words and start laughing spontaneously all over again.

What other art forms — literature, film, dance, painting, etc — inform your music?

I watch a lot of television. TV writers are masters of short form story arcs, constructing conflict and resolution and tension and release over the course of an episode arc. And in some cases, tying those small episode arcs into the arc of a larger season or series. To me it seems not dissimilar from writing a song that fits in the larger context of a record. I’m a huge, lifelong fan of The Sopranos, Seinfeld, Star Trek: The Next Generation — stuff that was primetime TV when I was growing up. I revisit them often.

What rituals do you have, either in the studio or before a show?

I like to have a weak drink or two before we perform. Something like a bitters soda or a digestif with enough of a kick to loosen me up, but not strong enough to make me sloppy. It’s not my healthiest habit, and they start to add up over a long tour. I’ve gotten some suspicious looks trying to order a Cynar or something at the wrong dive bar.

What has been the best advice you’ve received in your career so far?

I’ve gotten great advice from lots of people, directly and indirectly, throughout my career. It’s hard to boil down into a bite-sized nugget, but I do remember when I was in my 20s seeing a commencement address that Patti Smith gave at an art school. I think it was Pratt. She said something to the effect of: build your name. Not in the sense of fame or branding or anything like that. But just to focus on honing your craft and doing good work and trying to treat other artists and other people with kindness and respect, and to let your name carry your code as an artist. To listen to your conscience and take care of your teeth. And that if you do this, success will define itself for you.

Since food and music go so well together, what is your dream pairing of a meal and a musician?

This is a cool question because it’s not like: “Who would you love to talk to for an hour?” I love cooking and eating. And I love spending a whole day overeating and sitting around outside. Like a barbecue or something. So it’d have to be someone who also ate a lot too, so I didn’t feel self-conscious about eating way too much. Lowell George famously overate — maybe we’d have a nice time just sitting in silence and eat ribs together or whatever. If I were sitting across from a table from like Prince or something, I’d be too nervous to eat.

LISTEN: Carter Sampson, “Can’t Stop Me Now”

Artist: Carter Sampson
Hometown: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Song: “Can’t Stop Me Now”
Album: Gold
Release Date: April 7, 2023
Label: Horton Records

In Their Words: “About six months into the pandemic I began to feel like I hadn’t felt in a long time. There was this sense of being stuck, physically and mentally. Pre-COVID, I was living a life that I had worked for years to create, busy playing music all over the place and doing what I love. It felt like all of a sudden that life was erased and I was feeling those teenage feelings again. I had to remind myself that I had put all this hard work in and that nothing was going to stop me. I wrote ‘Can’t Stop Me Now’ to tell myself and others to not give up.” — Carter Sampson

hortonrecords · CARTER SAMPSON – Can’t Stop Me Now

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WATCH: Rachel Baiman, “Bad Debt”

Artist: Rachel Baiman
Hometown: Oak Park, Illinois; now in Nashville
Song: “Bad Debt”
Album: Common Nation of Sorrow
Release Date: March 31, 2023
Label: Signature Sounds

In Their Words: “Debt has been my constant companion throughout my adult life. It feels like anytime I get a little bit ahead, it’s only for the purpose of paying down a loan. I struggle with shame surrounding financial debt, but this song is about the kind of debt that should be condemned, moral and ethical debt; taking, and taking, and taking, and never giving back. The narrator has lived their whole life off of the backs of others, and they know it.” — Rachel Baiman


Photo Credit: Natia Cinco

WATCH: Kris Ulrich, “1994”

Artist: Kris Ulrich
Hometown: Winnipeg, Canada
Song: “1994″
Album: Big in the USA
Release Date: March 31, 2023
Label: Birthday Cake Records

In Their Words: “I wrote this song after coming home from a night at my parents’ house watching old video tapes of us as kids. I specifically recall a scene of my brother and sister twirling around our living room laughing, wearing clothes my mom had sewn for them. Watching these videos with my parents at about the same age they were in the videos really made me think about how they were feeling at that time in their lives. What did they feel like watching it now? Writing ‘1994’ felt really cathartic and it kind of poured out of me. I wanted the song to feel like a warm embrace, like you were being enveloped by it.” — Kris Ulrich


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WATCH: Rodney Crowell, “Everything at Once” (Feat. Jeff Tweedy)

Artist: Rodney Crowell
Hometown: Houston, Texas; Nashville, Tennessee
Song: “Everything at Once” (Feat. Jeff Tweedy)
Album: The Chicago Sessions (Produced by Jeff Tweedy)
Release Date: May 5, 2023
Label: New West Records

In Their Words: “It occurred to me that Jeff and I are both songwriters, and we ought to write something together for this album. We could have harmonized on it and gone down an Everly Brothers route, but ultimately we decided to just sing in unison and throw it out there like an all-skate. I love that we didn’t get too precious about it.” — Rodney Crowell

“The way that Rodney writes is deeply connected to a classic era of country songwriters that I’ve always loved. In my estimation, it’s as close as I can get to working with Townes Van Zandt or Felice and Boudleaux Bryant — people who crafted songs with a very specific sensibility. And I like being near that.” — Jeff Tweedy


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WATCH: Matt Andersen & The Big Bottle of Joy, “Golden” (Live)

Artist: Matt Andersen & The Big Bottle of Joy
Hometown: Perth-Andover, New Brunswick, Canada
Song: “Golden”
Album: The Big Bottle of Joy
Release Date: March 10, 2023
Label: Sonic Records

In Their Words: “I wrote this song with my pal Andy Stochansky. It’s a song about the light and joy that one person can bring to another. While we were writing this song, I kept picturing the moment in The Wizard of Oz when the movie goes from black and white to colour. We all have moments in the grey, when things feel dark. Hopefully, we all also have a person that can pull us out of those moments.” — Matt Andersen


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LISTEN: Izzy Heltai, “Running Out”

Artist: Izzy Heltai
Hometown: Boston, now Nashville
Single: “Running Out”
Release Date: February 24, 2023

In Their Words: “‘Running Out’ is a song about feeling lucky for the first time maybe ever. I know that sounds pretty dramatic, but if I’m not allowed to be dramatic in my songs then I don’t know when I ever will be. I had felt stuck for a while and when I wrote ‘Running Out’ I was beginning to feel like the tides were turning in my favor; things were happening, I was excited. ‘Running Out’ was written primarily as a tool for me to try and stay present in the good things that were beginning to happen. Ironically, I’m releasing a song that mentions both ‘running’ and ‘good luck’ in the same week I literally broke my hip.” — Izzy Heltai


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LISTEN: Justin Rutledge, “Easy”

Artist: Justin Rutledge
Hometown: Toronto, Ontario
Song: “Easy”
Album: Something Easy
Release Date: May 19, 2023
Label: Outside Music

In Their Words: “I’ve always had a strange relationship with songwriting. My songs always start out like leaves in a tree — I rarely notice them until the right light hits. Sometimes it’s as if a melody falls in front of me and I pick it up. Writing ‘Easy’ was like that. ‘Easy’ was the final song I wrote for the album, and I guess you could call it the title track. The melody arrived after I got the kids to bed, happily exhausted. Most songs are trouble, they really do a number on me, but this one was kind. Songs rarely arrive this gently, although I wish they did. Mostly they just wait there, high above my head where I can’t touch them, waiting for the light to hit.” — Justin Rutledge


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BGS 5+5: Mark Erelli

Artist: Mark Erelli
Hometown: Melrose, Massachusetts
Latest Album: Lay Your Darkness Down
Personal nicknames (or rejected band names): Oh man, I don’t really have any! The only nicknames I had were in elementary school, where kids would taunt me with adjectives that rhyme with “Erelli.” I’m sure you can come up with all the permutations on your own. I’ve always been a solo artist, so I don’t have any rejected band names, either. I feel like I’m letting a lot of people down with this particular answer!

Which artist has influenced you the most … and how?

At heart, I’m just a really big music fan, so I’ve thought a lot about my influences and how they’ve changed over the years. I think most of us start out trying to follow in the footsteps of our musical heroes, typically bigger, established artists from a different time. I was no different in my early years but, truthfully, the longer I do this, the less those early heroes tend to matter to me in terms of conscious influence. And the music business that helped those artists become so influential is gone for good. So the artists that have deeply influenced me for a long time now are my friends, peers I have worked alongside, seeing firsthand how they manage their art and their careers.

It’s hard to pick the friend that has had the most profound influence, but I have learned more than I can really articulate from Lori McKenna. We met in 1996 when we both lost the same songwriting contest, came up through the Boston scene together, I’ve produced some of her albums, and played in her band since 2005. I’ve had a chance to see the choices she’s made throughout every stage of her storied career—before she even had a ‘career’—and I find her journey to be extremely inspiring and educational. Lori’s consistent friendship and generosity have been a real north star for me, and she’s a big part of my new album Lay Your Darkness Down, having written a wonderful song together and singing harmony on the title track.

What’s your favorite memory from being on stage?

About a decade ago, I opened for Darrell Scott one night in Portland, Maine. I had played the room several times on my own, but I campaigned for the gig just so I could meet Darrell and let him know I’d been a big fan of his for years. I was convinced I’d come on a bit too strong at soundcheck, endlessly proclaiming my love of obscure independent records that he’d played on in the ’90s, but I was later humbled to see that he was watching my set.

When he took the stage for his headlining set, he said, “We’re gonna do something a little different tonight. Instead of just me up here playing one long solo set, I’m going to do a short set, we’ll take a quick break, then Mark and I will come back up together, trading songs until we feel like stopping, like an old-fashioned Nashville guitar pull.” He hadn’t mentioned this plan to me before he went on, so I was just floored. But that’s what we did. I think we played for 90 minutes or so, the whole night of music approaching three hours of music in total, a marathon that no one had even asked for! To have a musical hero invite me into a space where we were both completely in service to the songs, supporting each other as equals, was just an incredible gift. I’ll never forget it.

What rituals do you have, either in the studio or before a show?

Two words: vocal warmups. This is not a sexy ritual, but I cannot stress enough how regularly warming my voice up for 15-20 minutes before a show or a recording session has changed my life. I’ve always been a decent singer, I guess, but since I’ve been warming up regularly before shows I find that I can sing at the level of proficiency I strive to perform at, for longer, and with far less emotional distress about being able to keep it up night after night. The whiskey you think you need before you go on stage is not doing you any favors, it just makes you care less about how you sound. The vocal warmups I do have helped make singing a more physically enjoyable experience for me, and the sooner you start the more it’s going to help you. I know, I didn’t listen either when I was in my 20s and 30s and people told me to warm up my voice. But if I could go back and change one thing it would be to have started this ritual far earlier in my career.

What’s the toughest time you ever had writing a song?

I think the toughest part of ‘writing a song’ isn’t really the writing itself, it’s the observations, experiences, and realizations that ultimately lead me to the point where I feel compelled to sit down and write about something, to try and make sense of it. The songs on my new album Lay Your Darkness Down were largely written in the wake of being diagnosed with a degenerative retinal disease (retinitis pigmentosa) that is slowly causing me to go blind. The songs that weren’t directly inspired by my RP diagnosis were written against the backdrop of a global pandemic, and the profound hits to what serves double duty as my livelihood and spiritual practice.

Those were just extremely tough times, and for a while songwriting just felt like a very ineffectual tool for dealing with them. Thankfully, the practice gradually came back to me, and it ultimately became something that helped me process what I was going through. I have to thank friends like Mary Bragg, Anthony da Costa, Matt Nathanson, and Lori McKenna, who all co-wrote remotely with me over Zoom during the pandemic and helped me sidestep some of the loneliness and isolation I was feeling. The writing is often fun and exciting, it’s living a life worth writing about that’s the tough part.

How often do you hide behind a character in a song or use “you” when it’s actually “me”?

I think I do this an awful lot. I will frequently consider myself to be writing a song from the perspective of a character, only to find out at some point after the fact that there is perhaps an uncomfortable amount of “me” in the song’s protagonist. This realization can take years, and I think it’s just a simple truth that the songs often get there before I do, and they wait patiently for me to catch up. Even when I am writing from a first-person perspective, I’m often portraying myself and my motivations as I’d like them to be, and maybe not as they actually are. I often use songwriting to envision what’s possible, instead of cataloging things as they are. In that way, I like to think that my songs can be inspiring and stir hope, not just for others, but for me too.


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WATCH: Taylor Ashton ft. Rachael Price, “Time After Time” (Cyndi Lauper Cover)

Artist: Taylor Ashton ft. Rachael Price
Hometown: Brooklyn, New York (by way of Vancouver, Canada)
Song: “Time After Time”
Album: Pizza Tickets
Release Date: March 24, 2023
Label: Signature Sounds

In Their Words: “Rachael and I mostly keep our musical lives separate, but we’ve been asked to sing at a few friends’ weddings and ‘Time After Time’ is a song we love to sing in that context. I love the pining chorus contrasted with the cinematic dream logic of the verses of this song, I feel like I could live an entire lifetime just inside the phrase ‘suitcase of memories.’ I have so many memories of this song — singing it at weddings with Rachael, singing it by myself on NYC subway platforms when I had just moved here and didn’t know anybody, hearing it on the radio as a kid, catching the music video on MuchMusic. We made a quick-and-dirty video of it shortly after the beginning of lockdown in 2020, and people seemed to really like it, so we thought it deserved a proper recording.” — Taylor Ashton


Photo credit: Desmond Picotte