LISTEN: Ashleigh Flynn & The Riveters, “The Sound of Bells’

Artist: Ashleigh Flynn & The Riveters
Hometown: Portland, Oregon
Song: “The Sound Of Bells”
Album: Ashleigh Flynn & The Riveters
Release Date: September 21, 2018
Label: Home Perm Records

In Their Words: “‘You’ll hear me in the sound of bells that ring…’ My dear friend was murdered nearly a decade ago. It caused great turmoil, and is still a painful mystery to behold. I dream of her often. In one dream I am driving a 1960 Yellow VW Van up to Gold Hill, Colorado, at the Continental Divide, and catch a glimpse of the Front Range. All those lights from ranches and little cities seemed to blend into the starry night sky. And then I sort of came to and was somewhat lucid and felt the presence of my friend hovering over me. I wanted to reach out to her. As she dissipated, I heard her say, ‘You’ll hear me in the sound of bells that ring.’ I could rest assured that we were still connected thought she is gone from our physical world.” — Ashleigh Flynn


Photo credit: Kat Nyberg

WATCH: Amazon Music Americana Roundtable

Don’t you wish you could pull up a chair at this table? From Brandi Carlile and Margo Price, to producer Dave Cobb and Amanda Shires, to Jason Isbell and John Prine – these songwriters always have something to say in their music. In a conversation with Amazon Music’s Adam Steiner, these Americana all-stars go in-depth about their early musical influences, the mentors and producers who shaped their sound, and the most important parts of recording – including goofing off.

Carlile kicks off the conversation with this childhood memory: “The first time I fell in love with music probably would have been hearing my grandfather yodeling as a 4- or 5-year-old — yodeling, and playing the spoons, with his mom on piano and his brother on banjo and my mom singing background vocals. Kind of the family jam scene. That’s what I remember — falling asleep on the stairs, thinking, ‘Maybe I can do that – that little trick he does – when I get older.’”

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After Struggling to Sing, Kathy Mattea Soars on ‘Pretty Bird’

Kathy Mattea’s latest album, Pretty Bird, is in many ways a continuation of the West Virginia native’s journey back to the simple Appalachian sounds of her homeland. Hints of the region’s acoustic roots have popped up throughout her Grammy-winning country career, best known to most folks for her signature song, 1988’s “Eighteen Wheels and a Dozen Roses.”

With 2008’s Coal, Mattea leaned into the music of the West Virginia mountains like never before, singing about the complicated area export that is still a political hot potato in 2018. The acoustic evolution continued with 2012’s Calling Me Home, but Mattea faced an evolution of a different kind leading up to Pretty Bird.

A few years ago, Mattea suddenly discovered her voice was changing, and she couldn’t hit the notes she once found with ease. In this Q&A, Mattea explains how she worked through her vocal challenges with the eclectic group of songs she recorded for the new project.

In the past decade, you’ve stripped away a lot of the instrumentation from your music to explore more acoustic sounds. Over the past few years, you’ve also had to relearn how to use your singing voice. Did that experience of first stripping away layers from your music help prepare you to later rebuild your voice?

It felt like that, only much more extreme. I didn’t have a choice except to strip away. When I tried to do it the way I always knew how to do it, it wouldn’t work. So, I didn’t know when I began this process if what I was experiencing was the beginning of the end of my singing voice, or if it was just a shift, just a change. For instance, the transition in my chest voice to head voice, not to get too technical, had gone down a half-step after I went through menopause. So, my body has been singing the same songs in the same keys for many years and would just go for the way it knew to hit a certain note, and it wouldn’t happen. I went, “What is going on?”

Was there a physical problem with your voice or was it just part of the process of getting older?

Really, it was the latter. There was nothing wrong with my voice except that it felt wrong because it was unfamiliar. So, it wasn’t like an injury or anything like that. I got to hear Kenny Rogers during this time. He was on his final tour and he was like, “Look, I have no voice left, but I love these songs, and you guys love these songs. So, I’m coming out to sing them for you one more time.” He’s very open about it and I thought, “Yeah, I can’t do that. I’m not wired that way.” If I can’t sing in a way that I feel like I’m really expressing myself, I will have to stop. I knew this about myself. So, I thought, “OK, I’ve got to answer the question.”

Who was there with you as you went through the process of relearning your voice?

Once a week, Bill Cooley, who has played guitar for me for 28 years, would come to my house, and we’d just jam in the afternoon. We’ll just brainstorm, because sometimes, in that open-ended time, that’s when the creative process happens and surprises happen. I said, “Bill, I’ve got to get to know my voice. I’ve got to experiment around and bump up against the edges.” So, I started throwing out songs that were really different than anything I’d ever done. They were God-awful in the beginning, but it started to open up.

You’ve recorded with Tim O’Brien many times, and he’s also from West Virginia. What were you looking for from him as a producer on Pretty Bird?

I realized during this process that I needed to make another record. The songs I’d put together were all so crazy different from each other! I couldn’t figure out how I was going to do “Pretty Bird” and “October Song” and “Mercy Now” and “Chocolate on My Tongue” all on the same record and make it hang together. I’m just chewing on this and chewing on this. Then one night, I woke up at 3 o’clock in the morning and said out loud in bed, “Tim O’Brien has to produce this record! He’ll know exactly what to do!” I’ve heard Tim do jazz-flavored stuff, blues-flavored stuff, bluegrass stuff, mountain stuff — all that. He does it all from a deep understanding.

I definitely see you being drawn to documenting the way of life in West Virginia as well as the music. What’s prompting you there?

When I was growing up, I was completely eaten up by music. But there wasn’t a lot of formal training around me. So, I would learn whatever I could from anyone who would teach me. My friend’s dad had a bluegrass band and he’d jam with me. I did community theater and I did folk music in my church. We had a little folk mass thing. Choral music in school, but there was nobody around to teach me the roots music of my place. So, that woke up in me in a big way later in my life. That last album, Calling Me Home, was about that sense of place that exists in Appalachia that has been lost in so much of the rest of the culture.

Most of my family lives back in the same basic area that we all grew up in and that our parents grew up in. Cousins, second cousins, third cousins now living just a few miles from where our moms were born. So, there is a sense that the contour of the land, the mountains, the river — all of that is like a member of your family. Bill, my guitar player, he’s from Southern California, and he was like, “Kathy, why don’t people move out and move away for jobs and stuff?” I’m like, “Bill, it’s not that simple.” You don’t leave your family. You don’t leave the nest, basically. And there’s a whole exodus of people to Detroit to work in factories and stuff when all the mines shut down. There’s a whole culture of displaced people that pine for what that is and come back home eventually.

I think of it as being an expatriate, you know? Even though I moved to Tennessee when I was 19, I think of myself as a West Virginian who lives in Tennessee.

Getting into the songs you chose, let’s start out with Mary Gauthier’s “Mercy Now.” Why does it appeal to you right now?

As we had this election, and it was very contentious, and there was all this tension and polarization and all the cultural stuff was going on, I just found myself listening to that song. I pulled it out and I would listen to it every day. So, one day I said, “Bill, I’ve been listening to this song, and it really gives me a lot of solace. It’s really different than anything I’ve ever done but I want to try.” I wanted to sing that song because in a time when people are polarizing, it’s really great to say, “I have pain. I have angst. I am scared. I am upset, and I need help from some place bigger than me.”

I love it because it’s not a “You, you, you” song. It’s an “I’m looking at this, and I don’t know what to do, and I need some help from something bigger than me.” Mercy doesn’t come from me. It’s a kind of grace that comes in from somewhere else. And I thought, “Man, how lucky am I? I get to sing that song every night.” The interesting thing is my audience doesn’t know that song. So, I get to bring that song to a whole new group of people. That’s been a really satisfying experience.

I hear a similar theme in “I Can’t Stand Up Alone.” It has a real gospel flavor with The Settles Singers backing you up. It seems to me that it would speak to the community that you’ve been leaning on during your issues with your voice.

To me, “I Can’t Stand Up Alone” is like the straight-at-it gospel version of “Mercy Now.” “Can’t Stand Up Alone” is like, “Honey, you need the Lord!” [Laughs] I love the contrast of two different approaches to basically the same thing. I’m not very overt about it, but a lot of the process of this was really praying. I felt like I was praying a prayer and feeling my way in the dark over and over again.

You start the album with “Chocolate on My Tongue,” which is an ode to the small joys in life, and then you go right into “Ode to Billie Joe.” It’s such a left turn. Tell me about that juxtaposition.

Hey, I’m not pretending that all that stuff makes sense! [Laughs] I love “Chocolate on My Tongue.” It’s so playful and, for me, to have gone through such a struggle with my voice and to come out with something that light and playful — and to allow myself the freedom to do that, was such a gift.

Then, “Ode to Billie Joe,” to me, is like a familiar, old friend. Those of us of a certain age know that and have memories of that song growing up. I found that when I went to sing it, that there’s this low end — this low register in my voice that was always there, but never this rich. When I found that, it was the moment I turned the corner from thinking of my voice as something diminished to seeing that it was opening into something new that was beautiful. I was astonished by how that song brought that about in my voice.

The last song on the record is “Pretty Bird” by Hazel Dickens. You’re singing it a capella. That had to be a vulnerable experience given all that you’ve gone through.

I have loved “Pretty Bird” for a long time and I wanted to do it on my last album. I lived with it. I wrestled with it. I danced with it. It’d pin me down, and then I’d pin it down. I could not find my way into the song. I could not sing it. I could not make it come out. I think the reason is that if you tighten up at all, it will just die in your mouth. It won’t work. I couldn’t pull back enough.

One night, [my husband] Jon is on the road and I’m home alone. I’m taking a shower before I go to bed that night and I just start singing that song. I’m like, “Oh my God! I don’t know! I think I’m singing it! I think this is happening!” But I’m soaped up now and I’m soaking wet. So, I keep singing, and I rinse off and dry off. The whole house is buttoned up for the night and my cell phone is plugged in downstairs. So, I grabbed the landline and I called my voicemail and I sang it into the voicemail so I have a record of what I did — so I’d know which key I was in and where it lay and explore from there. The next thing, I was like, “OK, I’ve got it.”

I haven’t done it live very much. So, it is still super vulnerable. I’ve been making myself pull it out and do it in the show because it’s the title song for my record. It feels like taking all my clothes off. But it’s like, “Well, you’ve been through a process, and what you’ve learned, Kathy, is that it’s not about perfection. It’s about being real.” This is as blatant a demonstration of that as I can give people. You just have to trust that they’ll get it.


Photo by Reto Sterchi

LISTEN: Western Youth, “Let You”

Artist: Western Youth
Hometown: Austin, Texas
Song: “Let You”
Album: Western Youth
Release Date: September 21, 2018

In Their Words: “This is a song I wrote while trying to get my infant daughter back to sleep. It’s a promise to the one person in my life that I hadn’t broken a promise to. It’s aspirational but honest. It’s for her. It’s one of the first songs I recorded with Western Youth and the last song on the album.” — Graham Weber


Photo credit: Steven Alcala

Baylen’s Brit Pick: The Southern Companion

Artist: The Southern Companion
Hometown: Lymington, Hampshire
Latest Album: 1000 Days of Rain

Sounds Like: Counting Crows, The Black Crowes, (yes they sound like two bands with “crows” in their names. Never thought about a crow genre before, but there ya go). They also remind me of some non-crow artists like Eric Church, Tom Petty, and Ryan Adams.

Why You Should Listen: The musicianship in this band is off the charts, with members having played for Lana Del Rey, Tom Jones, James Morrison, Rumer, and Vanessa May, these guys aren’t messing around.  They’ve played together on and off for more than 20 years, and you can hear that in their debut album 1000 Days Of Rain. Yes, it took them two decades to get around to making an album, but sometimes good things take a while – come on, they were busy.

The comfort and musical version of “finishing each other’s sentences” that comes from a band that’s known each other and played together for so long isn’t something you can fake. This band is tight and it sounds like they are having the time of their lives. In a different place and time, lead singer Darren Hodson’s voice would have made him a 90’s “modern rock” god and that’s a wonderful thing as far as I’m concerned. His voice and this album remind me of so many bands I was listening to growing up, that I almost had to check I didn’t already have 1000 Days of Rain on cassette somewhere.

That’s not to say this album is a pastiche or retro, far from it, but the influences are clear. That’s something they acknowledge with a bit of old school yesteryear glorification on “Wrong Side of the 70s.” For an emotional deep dive, check out “Dead Man Walking.” This album has been out for a minute, but it’s taken me until now to fully appreciate it, and sometimes that’s how it goes. I just hope we don’t have to wait another 20 years for more music from them.


Photo credit: Wilky


As a radio and TV host, Baylen Leonard has presented country and Americana shows, specials, and commentary for BBC Radio 2, Chris Country Radio, BBC Radio London, BBC Radio 2 Country, BBC Radio 4, BBC Scotland, Monocle 24, and British Airways, as well as promoting artists through his work with the Americana Music Association UK, the Nashville Meets London Festival, and the Long Road (the UK’s newest outdoor country, Americana, and roots festival). Follow him on Twitter: @HeyBaylen

WATCH: Malcolm Holcombe, “Black Bitter Moon”

Artist: Malcolm Holcombe
Hometown: Weaverville, North Carolina
Song: “Black Bitter Moon”
Album: Come Hell or High Water
Release Date: September 14, 2018
Label: Singular Recordings

In Their Words: “This world is full of goodness and a lot of positivity, but it seems like I can relate to the underdog and the downtrodden, for obvious reasons. Those types of songs seem to strike a nerve more deeply than the ‘Yellow Brick Road,’ because I think it’s a struggle for all of us to try to do the next right thing. Some people have the spiritual chemistry to be able to achieve that more easily than others, but I think we all struggle with getting up in the morning and trying to live in our own skin.” — Malcolm Holcombe


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Canon Fodder: Aretha Franklin, ‘Amazing Grace’

Listen to Aretha Franklin sing “Amazing Grace.” The hymn was nearly 200 years old when she tore into it on her 1972 double-live gospel album with the same title. Her version is nearly eleven minutes, and she spends most of that time wringing those lines of every emotion that has ever been felt in those intervening centuries. Aretha delivers those lines like she’s preaching, and the congregation answers in kind: applauding when she hits that high note on “a wretch like MEEEE” and voicing their excited approval when she locates untranscribable vowels in those simple words “amazing grace.” It is a vibrant collaboration between performer and audience, each pushing the other to new heights of spiritual ecstasy. The Southern California Community Choir comes in like a band of angels, but Aretha isn’t even done yet. Instead, she shakes them off and tests the limits of her upper register.

That is just one of many goose bump-inducing moments on Amazing Grace, which remains her best-selling album as well as the best-selling black gospel album of all time. While it has been overshadowed by the secular albums she recorded for Atlantic Records in the late 1960s and by her unprecedented comeback albums in the 1980s, it remains a touchstone in her catalog, an album that explains her complicated relationship to the gospel world as well as to the pop charts. Beyond that, it’s just an incredible set of music, with all the intensity, all the purposefulness, and all the spontaneity of her own or anybody else’s live albums. Amazing Grace surpasses even her 1971 Live at the Fillmore West, which is saying a lot because that album is a stone classic.

It is, however, an unusual album in her catalog: Title track aside, her voice is often subsumed into a larger choir. She was never one to be upstaged (the only instance I have found is when the violence outside the 1968 Democratic National Convention overshadowed her performance of the national anthem inside), but she slips in and out of the choir, harmonizing with them one moment and soloing the next. The point of the album—the point of gospel, in general—is to share the spotlight with a host of friends and family. Aretha understood that gospel was not a solitary pursuit; the music is not private or internalized.

Rather, it is public, communal: the sound of many voices united in a joyful noise unto the Lord. Even when she is pushing heavenward on “Amazing Grace,” she is no longer the diva she was in the secular world; perhaps this project offered her some escape from the royal demands of pop stardom, the tabloids printing rumors, the endless tours, the complicated business machinations, the physical drain of being the best-known pop singer on the planet. In church, surrounded by people she loved and trusted and admired, with only God as her audience, perhaps she felt at ease.

Nearly fifty years later, the origins of the project are still debated. Jerry Wexler, president of Atlantic Records, claims he encouraged her to record a gospel album, believing she needed to issue a major statement after so many singles-oriented albums. Aretha, however, claims the idea was hers all along, as was the plan to record it live in church. Others claim her father, the Rev. C.L. Franklin, pressured her to reconnect with the church, although he had instilled in her at a young age the belief that spiritual gospel and secular pop both sprung from the same well of black history. “If you want to know the truth,” proclaims a very proud C.L. during his short sermon, “she has never left the church!”

Aretha surrounded herself with some of her gospel heroes, including James Cleveland (the King of Gospel to her Queen of Soul) conducting the choir. Also taking part were her brothers and sisters, her grandmother, and her idol and mentor Clara Ward of the Famous Ward Singers. According to David Ritz’s 2015 biography Respect: The Life of Aretha Franklin, Wexler “was determined to sneak the devil’s rhythm section into church,” which meant hiring some of the session musicians that had been backing Aretha on her recent records: bass player Chuck Rainey, drummer Bernard Purdie, guitarist Cornell Dupree, and percussionist Pancho Morales. Even that rhythm section is in dispute, however, as Aretha denied the devil had anything to do with the way they played.

And that is where the disputes end, because as soon as Aretha enters on the opener “Mary, Don’t You Weep,” she presides over the album. She is the choir director, the producer, the soloist, the choir member, the preacher. She hammered out the track list with Cleveland in the weeks before the performances, favoring a repertoire that mixed old hymns and new pop songs often in the same arrangements. “Precious Lord, Take My Hand” bleeds so gracefully into “You’ve Got a Friend” that it’s nearly impossible to distinguish Thomas A. Dorsey’s composition with Carole King’s hit. She swaggers through Marvin Gaye’s “Wholly Holy” as well, but the most commanding arrangement is her gospelization of “You’ll Never Walk Alone,” which had recently debuted in Rodgers & Hammerstein’s Carousel. Not exactly churchly fare, but Aretha and the musicians playing with her find the kernel of spiritual steadfastness in each one. “He walks beside you,” the choir testifies, and she interjects, “He’ll put all of his angels beside you!”

Perhaps she doesn’t mean heavenly angels. Perhaps she means earthly angels: the people up on stage with her and the people down in the pews. In those words are echoes of the Civil Rights movement, a reminder of all the marches and demonstrations that showed strength and righteousness in unity. Gospel was integral to those events; in fact, Aretha performed with Martin Luther King Jr. repeatedly both as a gospel singer and a pop star. Perhaps that connection is what made Amazing Grace so popular at the time; it’s definitely what makes the album so powerful nearly fifty years later.

“Can I get y’all to help me sing?” she exhorts the congregation on closer “Never Grow Old,” and by “congregation” I mean everyone in the church and everyone who ever listens to the album. No one can sing to the heavens like Aretha, but by inviting everyone to sing along, these performances continue to provide an example of how all of America might sing in one beautifully harmonized voice.

LISTEN: Nickel&Rose, ‘Americana’

Artist name: Nickel&Rose
Hometown: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
EP: Americana
Release Date: September 14, 2018

In Their Words: “The EP was inspired by over a year of touring, presenting American folk music to European audiences as well as side gigs playing bluegrass and blues in the US. It made us rethink what “Americana” really is. We wanted to show that we have respect for Americana as it is but also that we feel it needs to be moved in new directions. Each song on the EP is a inspired by American music but performed through our own experiences.” — Carl Nichols

“Americana is sonically our most traditional release yet. We didn’t necessarily set out to be an Americana folk band but the more we played and wrote, the more we identified with that genre. On this release we explored a lot of the roots of Americana and tried to pay homage to the music and the people who made it what it is today while challenging exactly what that looks and sounds like. Throughout the EP, we grapple with our personal experiences of loss, but in the end I think we persevere. We are able to say what we need to and perhaps offer listeners a little compassion. We can’t necessarily say to listeners everything is going to be okay, but we can relate our challenges and say that we got through it and so can you.” — Johanna Rose


Photo credit: Amanda Mills

The Long Road Ahead: A Visit With Danni Nicholls

Take heed, all Americana fans in the UK. Danni Nicholls will be taking the stage on the final day of the Long Road Festival at Stanford Hall in Leicestershire. Leading up to her appearance, the talented singer-songwriter fielded a few questions from The Bluegrass Situation.

As a performer, what do you enjoy most about festivals?

I think the collective good energy that you usually find at festivals is my favourite thing. Everyone has come together to have a good time and that can be infectious. I’ll usually get to bump into friends/fellow artists too which is always lovely. I love to go off and try to discover great new music too.

The life of a touring musician is certainly unpredictable. How do you like to pass the time when you have a couple of free hours on the road?

Ha, sure is! I like to try to see a bit of the place I’m playing in – not just the inside of the venue. I’ll usually go for a wander if there’s some time to kill, and try not to get too lost! I’ve stumbled across some beautiful, memorable places that way.

Do you consider yourself a collector of guitars? And do you have a favorite one that you like to use when you write songs?

I wouldn’t consider myself a collector as such but I do have quite a few that I’ve acquired over the years! My prized possession is my first ever guitar which I inherited from my uncle Heathcliffe when I was 16. It’s a stunning Burns London 1964 shortscale jazz guitar. A real beaut. But my main touring guitar is an acoustic parlour, a Tanglewood TW73 E called Meryl. She’s feisty but sweet and mellow when you get to know her. She’s my favourite for writing on as well as playing live.

How did your grandmother’s record collection influence the kind of music you’re writing and recording now?

Massively! The music that filled her house and so many family parties was mostly American roots – lots of country, soul and rock n roll. It’s deep rooted in my soul and my music. Feels like home.

How would you describe your first visit to Nashville?

Unforgettable. Really – it was like a dream, I remember walking down a side street and turning onto Broadway where so many of my heroes have walked and known so well and feeling this rush of energy and joy. Seeing the Ryman, Tootsies where the likes of Patsy Cline would have hung out before crossing over to Ernest Tubb’s place. My first night in the city I ended up on stage in two of the bars singing old country songs being backed by these incredible musical strangers and I felt so welcome and included. I was hooked and have explored and fallen in love with many more parts of the city since then and I’m so grateful to have had that opportunity.

What are you working on now?

I just returned from Nashville where I have recorded my third studio album with the wonderful, talented Jordan Brooke Hamlin (Indigo Girls, Lucy Wainwright-Roche) at the new and wondrous studio MOXE, out in the woods just north of the city. I’m very excited to be getting it into shape to send off out into the world in early 2019.

When you finish a song that you’re proud of, who is the first person that gets to hear it?

My cat, Winnie. Yes I think of her as a person. I should maybe address that.

For those people who come to see you at the Long Road Festival, what do you hope they take away from that experience?

I hope they can find some connection, some resonance perhaps. By going out singing my truth I hope to contribute to raising positive vibrations, so I hope they walk away with a little lift, a smile, or at least a bit of one of the songs stuck in their heads.


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Spreading the Message: A Conversation With Paul Cauthen

You want to believe Paul Cauthen when he tells you, “I’m an everyday guy, walking the earth like anyone else.” But with a booming voice both on stage and over the phone, it’s easy to understand why he’s become a towering figure in Texas music and beyond.

Cauthen released a striking new EP titled Have Mercy in June – and while its songs aren’t necessarily religious, they absolutely make a statement about his views of the world. Incidentally, Cauthen’s next stop is Nashville, as he brings the all-star Big Velvet Revue to Americanafest for the first time on Wednesday (Sept. 12) at The Basement East.

I like the rhythm and the arrangement of “Everybody’s Walkin’ This Land.” Do you feel like that sets the tone for this EP?

Yeah, man. That song is a staple of the EP. Beau Bedford and I wrote it at his place there in Dallas. We knew this song was going to do something, and be something. It’s got the message, you know?

What I find interesting about that message is that you’re saying you’re going to be praying for fascists and racists. That’s a pretty bold statement to kick off a record. Did you get any pushback from that? Or has anybody questioned you on that?

Oh yeah, you know… usually it’s the nihilists and racists that are the ones bitching. I think either way there are all types of people in this world and you can’t please them all, ever. If you try to live in this world and please all people, you’re going to let yourself down and be really depressed. I just try to spread my message and don’t try to preach too much. It’s an open mindset EP. It’s not “Do this” or “Do that.” It’s “This is what I’m doing. This is what I believe.” Honestly, in this world, that’s what everybody needs to get a hold of – what you truly believe in.

I would imagine that your audience is pretty diverse, though.

Yeah, man, it really is. We’ve got all ages that love our music, all ethnicities. It’s been all over the map. When we played Pickathon, we had guys who were from Russia, I think, and they really dug our band. They went on and on about our band because they’d never heard real Texas music. That’s what this is – it’s Texas music. That’s what I tell people. I’ve gathered my own little recipe of Texas music over the years.

Your song “Tumbleweed” definitely sounds like Texas. Were you chasing that certain sound?

Oh yeah, man, that song is definitely Texas. It’s about a girl who just leaves, a girl that’s a nomad. The tumbleweed is a reference to a woman who can’t be stopped. She’s a drifter, a gypsy, you know? She’s gypsying around Terlingua, Marfa, and Big Bend, all around those areas. I’ve spent a lot of time out there.

How do you take care of your voice? On that song in particular, you’re belting it, but you tour a lot, too. How do you make sure you don’t blow your voice out?

I’m thinking about it every day. I check it every morning. I drink a bunch of tea. I smoke less and drink less brown liquor. I go warm-up. You’ve got to really breathe, and when you feel your voice really hurting, you’ve got to pay attention to it. You don’t over-exert your voice — those nights that your voice feels a little raw, don’t go up there with beer or liquor or any alcohol before the show. It dries out your throat. And you know, just being mindful of it.

I’ve dealt with my voice for my whole life. I’ve been going hoarse since I was 9 years old, since I’ve been loud speaking and singing for my whole life. You know, it happens, but I’m never going to have surgery for my voice. You know, I’ve got a nodule on my [vocal cord] on the right side, but so did all the people who have a distinctive rasp to their voice. It gives texture, like an aged wine.

I’ve read that your grandfather inspired your song, “Little Son.”

Yeah, he’s the guy. Jim Paul is his name. He had two daughters – my mom and my aunt. So they named me after my granddad’s last name.

How did that song come to you?

It’s just about when you’re someone that somebody looks up to. And you actually have some great advice to give somebody that they can learn. It seems like he knew he was going to go at a young age. … He was really blunt with me, almost to a fault, like telling me there was no Santa Claus. He’d say, “Me, your grandmother, your mom and your dad worked hard all year to put presents under the tree.” He was just that guy. He’d say, “Listen here! Listen here!”

When you sing “Resignation,” you have so many rhymes and the pattern and rhythm is so fast. When did you learn how to rhyme and the power of words?

Oh, I’ve loved Grimm’s Fairy Tales all the way up to Dr. Seuss. When I was a kid, I’d be rhyming stuff with my granddad, making up funny little rhymes. My granddad would rewrite verses for hymns when I was little. He’d sit at the end of the table, get a legal pad and a pen out, and write notes for the sermon. I’d help him with lines and help him with rhymes, too. It was kind of instilled.

I wanted to ask about the background vocals on the EP. I love to hear the women’s voices coming through. Do you travel with background singers?

Yeah, we definitely travel with the singers, but it just depends. Sometimes if we hit the road for a long one, we’ll just keep it thin. But yeah, Taylor Lumby and Becky Middleton did some BGV’s on “My Cadillac” and “Have Mercy.” They’re great!

On “Have Mercy,” I noticed how the dynamics really come into play on that song.

That song, I really wanted it to be like J.J. Cale or Tony Joe White. That dynamic is really chill. That’s what we were going for on that. And we did a pretty damn good job, especially now live. We’re really getting into this vibe with it. It’s super fun to play and it’s grooving as shit. So, we’re excited because we’re having fun out here playing these songs. That’s why we keep working. If it’s not fun, who the hell wants to do it?


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