Carolina Calling, Asheville: A Retreat for the Creative Spirit

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Asheville, North Carolina’s history as a music center goes back to the 1920s and string-band troubadours like Lesley Riddle and Bascom Lamar Lunsford, and country-music pioneer Jimmie Rodgers. But there’s always been a lot more to this town than acoustic music and scenic mountain views. From the experimental Black Mountain College that drew a range of minds as diverse as German artist Josef Albers, composer John Cage, and Albert Einstein, Asheville was also the spiritual home for electronic-music pioneer Bob Moog, who invented the Moog synthesizer first popularized by experimental bands like Kraftwerk to giant disco hits like Donna Summer’s “I Feel Love.”

It’s also a town where busking culture ensures that music flows from every street corner, and it’s the adopted hometown of many modern musicians in a multitude of genres, including Pokey LaFarge, who spent his early career busking in Asheville, and Moses Sumney, a musician who’s sonic palette is so broad, it’s all but unclassifiable.

In this premiere episode of Carolina Calling, we wonder and explore what elements of this place of creative retreat have drawn individualist artists for over a century? Perhaps it’s the fact that whatever your style, Asheville is a place that allows creativity to grow and thrive.

Subscribe to Carolina Calling on any and all podcast platforms to follow along as we journey across the Old North State, visiting towns like Shelby, Greensboro, Durham, Wilmington, and more.


Music featured in this episode:

Bascom Lamar Lunsford – “Dry Bones”

Jimmie Rodgers – “My Carolina Sunshine Girl”

Kraftwerk – “Autobahn”

Donna Summer – “I Feel Love”

Pokey LaFarge – “End Of My Rope”

Moses Sumney – “Virile”

Andrew Marlin – “Erie Fiddler (Carolina Calling Theme)”

Moses Sumney – “Me In 20 Years”

Steep Canyon Rangers – “Honey on My Tongue”

Béla Bartók – “Romanian Folk Dances”

New Order – “Blue Monday”

Quindar – “Twin-Pole Sunshade for Rusty Schweickart”

Pokey LaFarge – “Fine To Me”

Bobby Hicks Feat. Del McCoury – “We’re Steppin’ Out”

Squirrel Nut Zippers – “Put A Lid On It”

Jimmie Rodgers – “Daddy and Home”

Lesley Riddle – “John Henry”

Steep Canyon Rangers – “Graveyard Fields”


BGS is proud to produce Carolina Calling in partnership with Come Hear NC, a campaign from the North Carolina Department of Natural & Cultural Resources designed to celebrate North Carolinians’ contribution to the canon of American music.

On a New Box Set Spanning Doc Watson’s Career, These 10 Songs Stand Out

I first heard Doc Watson’s music when I was a child, as Doc was a featured artist on the first album I ever listened to from beginning to end, the 1964 Elektra/Folkways 4-LP compilation set The Folk Box. From that initial exposure to Doc’s fluid acoustic guitar playing and resonant singing I acquired a few of his 1960s albums on the Vanguard label. I became a fan, and like many others I witnessed Doc’s legend expand in the wake of his participation in the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band’s popular 1972 album Will the Circle Be Unbroken. Throughout the 1970s Doc toured constantly, and he recorded frequently, but his music didn’t significantly change, as he continued to explore his distinctive “Traditional Plus” repertoire into the 1980s and beyond. On several occasions I heard him perform in concert alongside his son Merle, a formidable guitar player in his own right, and bassist T. Michael Coleman.

In 1984 my work for the National Park Service brought me to the same mountainous North Carolina county in which Doc lived, in the high Blue Ridge not far from the Tennessee-North Carolina boundary. My landlord, who learned of my interest in Doc’s music and who knew the Watson family, offered to arrange for me to meet Doc. While I never pursued such a meeting, I continued to seek out every opportunity to hear Doc’s music. Some years later I moved to Johnson City, a valley community in East Tennessee, and learned that Doc had been a key member of a Johnson City-based country band during the 1950s, long before he achieved national recognition. It was comforting to still be living in “Doc country.”

In my position at East Tennessee State University I researched Appalachia’s music history and taught Appalachian Studies, and everyone I met (young and old, local and from elsewhere) always agreed that Doc was special—that he was one of America’s greatest folk artists yet in his everyday demeanor “just one of the people.” For much of his long career through his death in 2012 Doc was Appalachia’s unofficial cultural ambassador who brought people together in rapt attention to his singular musical gifts, of course, but also in shared appreciation of the roots music heritage that Doc simultaneously preserved and transformed. And his gifts and his impact will live on in the recordings he made and in individual and collective memories of this humble and inspiring master musician.

For me, then, it has been the honor of a lifetime to co-produce (with Scott Billington and Mason Williams) and to contribute liner notes for Craft Recordings’ new box set Doc Watson: Life’s Work, A Retrospective. Containing 101 key recordings by Doc over 4 CDs and featuring an 88-page book with extensive notes and rare photographs, Life’s Work celebrates the legacy of this master musician. The first comprehensive overview of Doc’s life and recording career, the set is intended equally for longtime fans of his music and for those unfamiliar with him. The following ten recordings from Life’s Work are examples of Doc’s “Traditional Plus” repertoire, and it is hoped that these examples will help illustrate why he is widely considered as among the most important figures in the history of American roots music.

“Storms Are on the Ocean” (Jean Ritchie & Doc Watson)

In 1963 Ralph Rinzler coordinated a double-bill at Gerde’s Folk City in Greenwich Village featuring established folk star Jean Ritchie and newcomer to the urban folk music revival circuit Doc Watson, who performed a set together. Fortunately for posterity, Ritchie’s husband George Pickow recorded the proceedings, and that same year Folkways Records released the album Jean Ritchie and Doc Watson at Folk City. One performance recorded during the Folk City set–of The Carter Family’s early country classic “Storms Are on the Ocean,” originally recorded at the 1927 Bristol Sessions and based on a traditional Scottish ballad–captured the wistful sweetness in A.P. Carter’s lyrics and also demonstrated Doc’s gifts at duet singing.


“And Am I Born to Die”

This Methodist hymn, composed by 18th Century English minister Charles Wesley, was included in The Sacred Harp (1844) converted into a shape-note arrangement entitled “Idumea.” (The soundtrack for the 2003 film Cold Mountain featured the angular minor-key harmonies from a shape-note performance of “Idumea” to set the mood for a key scene.) Acknowledging that he first heard “And Am I Born to Die” when he was a 2-year-old sitting on his mother’s lap at Mount Paran Baptist Church near his home in Deep Gap, North Carolina, Doc related that his a cappella hymn-singing style was strongly influenced by that of his grandfather Smith Watson. This recording, among some 1964 field recordings made of Doc and his family in Deep Gap by Rinzler and Daniel Seeger, was finally released (with other recorded performances from various members of the Watson family) on the 1977 album Tradition.


“That Was the Last Thing on My Mind”

Throughout his long career, Doc performed and recorded a repertoire he himself referred to as “Traditional Plus.” This repertoire incorporated material from many genres and sources: traditional music, of course, but also songs composed by early country recording artists as well as by contemporary songwriters. One of the latter songs recorded by Doc, “The Last Thing on My Mind,” was written and first recorded in 1964 by Tom Paxton. The next year, Peter, Paul and Mary and The Kingston Trio covered the song, but those versions pale in comparison to Doc’s 1966 rendition, featured on his Vanguard album Southbound. Doc would record the song again and frequently perform it live, including at Merlefest (where in 2001 he performed the song in a duet with another fan of Paxton’s song, Dolly Parton). Doc remained a fan of Tom Paxton, recording several Paxton songs over the years.


“Alberta”

Frequently recording affectionate interpretations of blues compositions, Doc was a fan of several genres of Black music. Originally a steamboat work song sung by Black roustabouts, “Alberta” was performed over the years by many musicians associated with the urban folk music revival, from Lead Belly and Burl Ives to Odetta and Bob Gibson. Doc developed his rendition of “Alberta” not from those examples but from a version on the 1963 RCA Victor LP Come All Ye Fair and Tender Ladies, which featured folk revival-era songs crooned by Bonanza actor Pernell Roberts.


“Matty Groves”

“Matty Groves”—from Doc’s 1967 album for Vanguard Home Again!—was the musician’s rendition of a 17th century ballad chronicling an adulterous relationship between an aristocratic woman and a commoner man; the woman’s husband, who was a Lord, discovers the tryst and kills both his wife and her lover. Doc performs this grisly ballad with an expressive yet restrained voice, revealing his familiarity with traditional balladry. This performance, clocking in at 6:07, underscores his keen memory (so many verses!) and his flawless sense of timing (his guitar accompaniment was understated and delicate yet propulsive).


“Nothing to It” (Lester Flatt and Earl Scruggs with Doc Watson)

Doc first recorded this instrumental (credited to him but probably influenced by the old-time song “I Don’t Love Nobody”) as a solo piece for his 1966 Southbound album. Impressed by Doc’s dexterity on the guitar, the sound engineer asked the guitarist “What the heck was that?” Doc answered, “Aw, nothing to it.” The title was ironic because the tune was indeed quite challenging. The next year Doc brought the tune to sessions for Flatt & Scruggs’ next album, invited to participate by Earl Scruggs, who was in awe of Doc’s virtuosity on the guitar. This bluegrass-band version of the tune was released by the Columbia label on the 1967 Strictly Instrumental album. Doc, in turn, was fascinated by Scruggs’ banjo style, and the two North Carolinians would perform together on stages and for records throughout their long careers.


“Deep River Blues”

First recorded by The Delmore Brothers in 1933 with its original title “I’ve Got the Big River Blues,” “Deep River Blues” was one of Doc’s most requested songs, and he clearly enjoyed performing it. Yearning to play this song on his guitar occasioned one of Doc’s most important stylistic breakthroughs on the instrument: he learned how to incorporate aspects of Merle Travis’s finger-style technique (known as “Travis picking”) into his own style. As Doc himself said of “Deep River Blues” in notes included in the 1971 book The Songs of Doc Watson: “This blues was introduced to me in the late thirties by a Delmore Brothers recording. … I never could figure a way to get even a resemblance of the sound that they got until I began to hear Merle Travis pick the guitar. When Merle plays the guitar, he gets a rhythmic beat going by bouncing his thumb back and forth on the bass strings, which he mutes with the edge of the palm of his hand. I worked out that little back-up part first, but it took me about ten years before I got the whole thing sounding the way I wanted it.” Doc recorded this song on several occasions, with a particularly fine rendition captured during a 1970 concert and issued on his live album for Vanguard, On Stage.


“Tennessee Stud” (with Nitty Gritty Dirt Band)

As Doc says in the spoken introduction to this legendary recording, “Jimmy Driftwood wrote this thing.” “This thing” is the song that would inspire one of Doc’s definitive performances—one that reached the broadest imaginable audience by becoming a favorite among roots music DJs and also among an ever-expanding circle of music fans who discovered The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band’s influential 1972 album for the United Artists label, Will the Circle Be Unbroken. “Jimmy Driftwood” was the pen name for James Corbett Morris, an Arkansas native who composed such hit “historical” songs as “The Battle of New Orleans.” Driftwood’s song “Tennessee Stud,” lyrically inspired by his wife’s grandfather’s horse, was composed in 1958 and was recorded the next year by Eddy Arnold, one of Doc’s favorite country singers. Other country artists would record the song—Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed, Johnny Cash, and Hank Williams Jr.—and Doc himself first recorded it for his 1966 album Southbound. But Doc’s version backed by The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, recorded in August 1971, quickly took the reins as the definitive version of the song.


“Summertime”

Many musicians might shy away from covering “Summertime,” among the most frequently recorded songs since it was composed by George and Ira Gershwin/DuBose Heyward for the opera Porgy and Bess (1935). But not Doc. No song or tune was too familiar for him, as he could make any piece he performed his own. Other musicians had bigger hits with “Summertime”—Billie Holiday’s version rose to #12 hit in 1936, while Billy Stewart’s peaked at #10 in the Billboard Hot 100 in 1966—but surely Doc’s version of “Summertime,” appearing on his album Elementary Doctor Watson (released in 1972 on the Poppy label), is among the greatest recorded performances of this classic from the American songbook.


“Corrina Corrina” (Doc & Merle Watson)

First documented in a 1918 sheet music arrangement entitled “Has Anyone Seen My Corrine?” and recorded later that same year by Vernon Dalhart for the Edison label, this traditional blues chestnut (sometimes called “Corrine, Corrina”) has been championed over the years by countless musicians—by blues musicians like Blind Lemon Jefferson (1930), by “Hillbilly” musicians like Clayton McMichen (1929), by pop and rock covers by Bill Haley & His Comets (1955), Ray Peterson (a #9 pop hit in 1960), and Bob Dylan (1962). Similarly, musicians working in such niche genres as Western swing and Cajun have included “Corrina, Corrina” in their repertoires. Doc and his son Merle Watson recorded their version for their 1973 Grammy Award-winning album Then and Now.


About Ted Olson

Ted Olson, Professor of Appalachian Studies at East Tennessee State University, is the author of many articles, essays, encyclopedia entries, poems, and reviews published in a range of books and periodicals. He has produced many documentary albums of Appalachian music, and for his work as a music historian he has received an International Bluegrass Music Association Award; three Independent Music Awards; the Ramsey Award for Lifetime Achievement from the East Tennessee Historical Society; and seven Grammy Award nominations. Olson is presently serving as co-host (with Dr. William Turner) of the podcast Sepia Tones: Exploring Black Appalachian Music​.

Photo Credit: Hugh Morton Collection (black and white image); Charles Frizzell (color image)

BGS & Come Hear NC Explore the Musical History of North Carolina in New Podcast ‘Carolina Calling’

The Bluegrass Situation is excited to announce a partnership with Come Hear North Carolina, and the latest addition to the BGS Podcast Network, in Carolina Calling: a podcast exploring the history of North Carolina through its music and the musicians who made it. The state’s rich musical history has influenced the musical styles of the U.S. and beyond, and Carolina Calling aims to connect the roots of these progressions and uncover the spark in these artistic communities. From Asheville to Wilmington, we’ll be diving into the cities and regions that have cultivated decades of talent as diverse as Blind Boy Fuller to the Steep Canyon Rangers, from Robert Moog to James Taylor and Rhiannon Giddens.

The series’ first episode, focusing on the creative spirit of retreat in Asheville, premieres Monday, January 31 and features the likes of Pokey LaFarge, Woody Platt of the Steep Canyon Rangers, Gar Ragland of Citizen Vinyl, and more. Subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts, and be on the lookout for brand new episodes coming soon.

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LISTEN: River Whyless, “Fast Like a Match”

Artist: River Whyless
Hometown: Asheville, North Carolina
Song: “Fast Like a Match”
Release Date: January 14, 2022

In Their Words: “‘Fast Like a Match’ was written ever so quietly in the bathroom of my grandparents’ house in Montreat, North Carolina, late at night, and in between two tours. ‘Dim light’ refers to an appetite for passion; be it for the singular obsessive pursuit of purpose, or for the pursuit of a shared understanding with another; it doesn’t matter the venture, as long as it’s fierce.” — Halli Anderson, River Whyless


Photo Credit: Molly Milroy

LISTEN: Heather Sarona, “I’ll Be Lost”

Artist: Heather Sarona
Hometown: Holly Springs, North Carolina
Song: “I’ll Be Lost”
Album: Head Above Water
Release Date: January 28, 2022

In Their Words: “I wrote ‘I’ll Be Lost’ after I took a trip without my husband and realized I don’t know where to sleep in my bed without him next to me, anchoring me. When I got home, I wrote the first verse of the song quickly but I couldn’t figure out what to do with the second verse — the first has such a strong metaphor (‘You are the anchor in the ocean of my bed’). Where do you go from there? A year or so later, the word ‘weathervane’ popped into my head while I was playing through the beginning of the song, and from there it was an easy song to finish. I realized ‘weathervane’ was in my head from reading a book to my 2-year-old and pointing out the pictures to him. Songwriting inspiration truly comes from everywhere. Sarah McCombie joins me on this track on clawhammer banjo and Libby Rodenbough on fiddle.” — Heather Sarona


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WATCH: Sarah Shook & The Disarmers, “No Mistakes”

Artist: Sarah Shook & The Disarmers
Hometown: Chapel Hill, North Carolina
Song: “No Mistakes”
Album: Nightroamer
Release Date: February 18, 2021
Label: Thirty Tigers

In Their Words: “I’ve had my share of jealous and insecure partners and I know I’m not alone in that. ‘No Mistakes’ takes aim at such folks with the message to get a damn grip and grow the hell up. If you’ve been mistreating your partner, quit pretending they’re the problem. Own up to your shit. Apologize, mean it, work hard on yourself. Hope like hell they give you another chance but know they don’t owe it to you. People get trapped in cycles of serial monogamy with people who tear them down all the time. It’s more common than we’d like to admit and a lot of people never get out of that trap. I wanted the video for ‘No Mistakes’ to portray some of the good things one kind of healthy relationship can offer: true joy, deep friendship, shared interests, where both partners respect and value themselves and each other. No codependency. No manipulation. No controlling behavior. Just straight up love.” — Sarah Shook


Photo Credit: Chad Cochran

On ‘O Come All Ye Faithful,’ Hiss Golden Messenger’s M.C. Taylor Sees the Light

When M.C. Taylor presented his idea of a Hiss Golden Messenger holiday record last fall, the label team at Merge Records began scratching their heads. Anyone familiar with the singer-songwriter would agree he just doesn’t seem like the type.

But this juxtaposition is at the heart of Taylor’s intentions to create a more relatable soundtrack for a season he felt has been oversimplified by an excess of enduring holiday hymns and hits. As an artist, he has never connected with the holiday music resounding in big box stores throughout the season. Last winter, in the face of inconceivable global hurt, this flamboyant backdrop felt particularly jarring.

After he wrapped up the Quietly Blowing It LP in the summer of 2020, Taylor still felt the tugging desire to create. While the year stormed outside the tiny window of his home studio in Durham, North Carolina, he was determined to capture authenticity within an often-romanticized season. What began as yet another coping mechanism soon took shape as a Hiss Golden Messenger album, O Come All Ye Faithful.

“There were definitely moments when I was making it when I thought to myself: ‘Am I insane? Has the pandemic made me lose my compass on what my music is meant to do?’” Taylor tells BGS. “But once we were a couple of songs into it, everything sort of clicked into place. I was like, ‘This totally makes sense. This sounds like a Hiss record, actually.’”

A self-proclaimed “second-guesser,” Taylor found creative refuge in a more interpretative state of mind, rather than relying solely on his usual songwriting process. His only directives from the start were to make a record that feels “lush, slow, and contemplative.” Despite these uncharacteristic parameters, his purist approach to the album captures the poignant emotions of closing out a season, or a chapter.

As the year winds down, enjoy our BGS Artist of the Month interview with Hiss Golden Messenger’s M.C. Taylor.

BGS: The holiday album has been done by countless artists. What did you feel you could contribute or expand upon within this enduring tradition, and why is that important to you at this point?

Taylor: Well, I should say at the outset that I’m certainly not an expert on holiday music. I’ve realized that even more over the past couple of weeks when people, knowing that I’ve just made this record, will be like, “Oh man, you’re into holiday music. Have you heard this or that record?” And I’m like, “I haven’t heard any of it.” My collection of holiday records is remarkably thin. I have a handful of “holiday records” that I consistently return to.

But I’ve noticed that often the music I hear, the stuff that seems to get played out in public during the season, doesn’t hit the emotional note that I’m feeling. And it doesn’t really resonate with anyone I know either. This big, brash, brassy, super uptempo, almost turbocharged holiday music seems to be the background to this season, but I started to feel like maybe it doesn’t have to be. Maybe I can come up with something that feels more in step with how everybody I know feels around this time of year.

When did you write these three original tracks, and how do they fit into this concept?

I keep hedging my bets by calling it a seasonal record; I’m not sure how that’s exactly different from a holiday record. But these were all written with this record in mind.

The first one, “Hung Fire,” is a very intimate song and a meditation on this time of year and how hard it can be on many people. It’s sort of a meditation on suicide in a way, which is a bit heavy, but I felt like there was a place for it on this record. Aoife O’Donovan sings on that one. That was the first stuff that she sent back to me after I asked her to sing, and I was just like, “Oh my God!” She is an absolute ace in the hole. She’s one of the greatest singers that I know.

Lyrically, “By the Lights of St. Stephen” is loosely based on this old seasonal song called “The Wren” that I learned from a record by an English family acapella group called The Watersons. So, if you ever find that song, certain lines are similar, and then I kind of take it off into a different place.

I felt it was incumbent on me to nod towards Jewish seasonal traditions. My wife is Jewish, and my kids identify as Jewish, so we put Woody Guthrie’s “Hanukkah Dance” on there. And I was trying to work on another one, but it’s hard to fit the word ‘Hanukkah’ into a song. I had this idea of a song that featured candles, a big part of the tradition. I don’t know if anyone else hears this. Probably not. But I think of “Grace” as the other Hanukkah song.

From your perspective, why did “Shine a Light” and “As Long as I Can See the Light” work well with this theme?

I had a long list of songs I felt could be seasonal songs by association. Meaning if I put them together with other songs like “Silent Night” or “O Come All Ye Faithful,” they could be, in that context, interpreted as a song as it spoke to this particular time of year. Thematically, the record returns to the idea of light and dark, searching for light or a spark during a season that feels quite dark. It also uncovers the notion that we don’t understand light without darkness. I’ve always loved those tunes, and I wanted to see if we could do something to them that made them feel like they were supposed to be on the record.

When we spoke earlier this year, you felt uncertain about getting back on the road after adjusting to life at home. With your tour starting up again, has that feeling changed?

One thing I’ve grown to miss over the past couple of years, aside from playing live in front of people, is routine. And a tour gives me the closest thing that I have to a regular, everyday routine. I’ve always been a creature of habit, but the past couple of years brought this idea home that I function best with like a daily regimen; I like to know what I’m going to be doing. And I can’t say that I had that during this pandemic. Certainly, many of the traveling musicians I know were at loose ends as to what to do with themselves.

How did the pandemic and all the political fury affect your approach to this record?

This idea came in the fall of 2020, a few months after I finished Quietly Blowing It. Again, the approach goes back to this need for routine. I needed to be working on something that kept me busy in the days, and I also needed to be working on something that made me feel peaceful at a time full of chaos and anxiety. So, that was where I went. Music has always been a pretty dependable place for me to go. I’m not even sure that I would have made this record had we not been living in such a chaotic time that felt so full of uncertainty and grieving.

Growing up, what were your family’s traditions surrounding the holiday season? How do you feel that translates in these musical selections?

We celebrated Christmas, and my family was pretty tight. I grew up in Southern California, so I have this specific set of memories, like a beautiful, sunny Southern California Christmas Day — not the norm for most. Strangely, the soundtrack to Camelot was a constant. If you were to ask anybody in my family what holiday music you listen to, everybody would say Camelot. It took me until I was a full-grown adult to realize that that is not technically a holiday record. But somehow, it’s still really associated. If you place songs in the vicinity of the holidays, your brain will start making a connection.

Are there any particular points of nostalgia within your selections here?

It’s kind of a nostalgic feeling record, but I don’t know that it comes from childhood. The songs are not necessarily from my childhood, but I feel like the emotions within the record speak to a bittersweet set of emotions that have been with me since I was a kid. When I was quite young, I remember talking to my mom about the holidays, and she said: ‘This is always a really hard time of year for me.’ And I understood what she was saying. There is a sense of grief that comes with the closing of a year. I feel like that grief can be echoed in the natural world outside as we see things closing up for the winter before the hopefulness that comes with spring. My feelings about the winter holidays have always been a quiet time of contemplation.


Photo Credit: Chris Frasina

North Carolina’s Balsam Range Travel Through Life With ‘Moxie and Mettle’

For nearly 15 years, Balsam Range have distinguished themselves in the bluegrass community as powerful performers and musicians, even winning an IBMA Award for Entertainer of the Year in 2018. While it is notable for a bluegrass band to have maintained its original members for so long, it is perhaps more remarkable that its five members all grew up within the same region of Western North Carolina.

With a diverse array of influences held together by the common thread of their geography and formative musical years, Buddy Melton (fiddle), Darren Nicholson (mandolin), Dr. Marc Pruett (banjo), Caleb Smith (guitar) and Tim Surrett (bass, dobro) create music that is rooted in the traditions of their youth but not confined to typical genre norms. Their newest album, Moxie and Mettle, explores themes of uncertainty and a sense of powerlessness that will likely resonate with listeners’ own experiences during the pandemic. Similarly, the theme of trying to feel content with one’s life can be felt on tracks such as “Richest Man,” named the 2021 IBMA Song of the Year.

The Bluegrass Situation spoke with Buddy Melton and Tim Surrett over Zoom.

BGS: What was the timeline of making this record around the pandemic? Was it something you were working on and then had to slow down, or were you working on while things were shut down?

Melton: We were in that stage where we needed to move forward with a new project, but we had been so busy it was getting difficult to find time to work up new material and get in the studio. We took advantage of the shutdown. It gave us something to focus on and keep the positive efforts and creative side of us together. We’d worked up a lot of the songs prior to that, but that time off allowed us to get busy and find the remaining songs and round out a good record.

I’ve heard lots of artists say the same thing. The shutdown gave them more time than usual to listen to and refine the recordings they made during it.

Surrett: Yeah, we just did it a little bit at a time. We’d get together and work up two or three songs and go record them. Then a couple of months later, we’d do the same thing again. It’s always a fun process for us to get together and just listen to songs and then tear into them.

Melton: Sometimes we work better with a deadline. So, it was bad for us to have that time in a way, because we didn’t push it too hard. It was fun and relaxing. I will say it was a different dynamic, not feeling rushed, and we just decided when we’ve got enough completed, we’ll worry about the record, but let’s use this as an opportunity to stay together and be creative as we can together.

What’s important to you when you’re picking songs? Is there something that speaks to you? Are there themes that you usually gravitate towards when choosing material?

Surrett: Well, for years, we kept getting the train songs. We had some good ones like “Trains I Missed” and what not. But no, I don’t think we look for a certain theme. The first thing I look for is if something is interesting musically. And then a song that tells the story is a great thing. And we’re blessed with songwriters like Milan Miller and Adam Wright who can write a little three-minute movie in a song, and it’s got interesting chords, or something that we feel like we can arrange. That gets us fired up.

Melton: I don’t know why it is, but by the time the albums are over with, for some reason, they sometimes have a common theme. I don’t know if subconsciously we are connecting with that message. And this particular one, Moxie and Mettle, has a lot of “traveling through life” sort of vibes about the songs with “Richest Man,” and “Grit and Grace,” and “Rivers, Rains and Runaway Trains,” and “Traveling Blues.” I don’t know if we’re missing that element in our lives and that’s why migrated to that. We also like to incorporate original artwork if we can. All of our album covers have been paintings for the most part. As we got to the end of it and start looking at the graphics and start talking about the pictures, we ended up using this Adam Wright painting of an old car sitting at an intersection. You’re wondering which way is it going to go but it’s just traveling, trying to get through life, and it seemed to fit the vibe of this record to me.

I was wondering about that, because after I listened to the record a couple of times, I had my own interpretation of the theme, and I was wondering if you went in with a theme, or came out on the back end with one.

Melton: We didn’t intend to have anything. But again, I think a lot of those songs have some similar storylines and meanings to them.

There are a lot of references to taking stock of life and trying to figure out what’s important, which everybody had to do, even if they weren’t consciously thinking about that kind of thing.

Melton: You could probably pull that out of just about every song on that record. It’s about being content with where you are in life, etc. So, they all have some similar thoughts, I think.

I know you guys are very involved in the Western North Carolina music scene. Could you tell me a little bit about the work you guys do in that community?

Surrett: We all grew up in this area. Haywood County is where we all live now but Buddy and Darren are from Jackson County. Music was so much a part of life growing up here in the mountains. Square dancing, clogging, mountain dancing, and old-time music were a huge thing, and you get indoctrinated with it. And there are so many great musicians that still come out of this region. We joke with people all the time that we’re not even sure we’re the best band in Haywood County. There are so many great players that come from this region, and you cannot help being exposed to it, especially growing up when most of us did. It was an enormous part of life here in the mountains. And it’s fun to see that go on as some of us have become elder statesmen of that scene now.

You seem like you are stewards of music in that region, and you run a festival, don’t you?

Melton: Yeah, The Art of Music Festival. It’s coming up in the first week of December. We took that on as a project for our area. We chose the lowest-occupancy weekend of the entire year to see if we could stimulate the economy in our county, just to try to help out. Most people will pick early fall or spring to have an event, so we chose a terrible weekend to try to put on a bluegrass festival. And it’s a really great thing. A lot of work and effort went into it, but it’s not just a bluegrass festival. Our primary desire was to bring some of our favorite artists and music to Haywood County to help to expose the local folks to music they wouldn’t necessarily hear otherwise. We have an orchestra that comes in, we bring some of our favorite studio musicians, we have full-scale bands with piano, drum, steel guitars, the whole bit, but then we’ll have bluegrass bands like Blue Highway and The Cleverlys. It’s been fun to create something. The opportunity to have a music festival that is open to anything we want to do with it. I think that’s important. It helps our music grow and it exposes people to our music that come for other reasons.

You draw from a wide range of influences and bring it into your sound. Is that something you actively try to do, or does it come naturally because you all listen to a lot of different music?

Surrett: All of us come from different musical backgrounds. Darren loves country music. Caleb and myself both come from a gospel music background with a giant love for jazz music. And for me, personally, I like the rock ‘n’ roll that I grew up on. So we’ve got a Beatles tune, we’ve got Allman Brothers. Marc, of course, thinks there’s two kinds of music: Flatt & Scruggs music and not Flatt & Scruggs music. Buddy’s got the gift of finding great songs and listening to songwriters. That’s where the majority of our songs come from. But nothing has ever really been off-limits. Everybody’s got a voice and if they bring it in we’ll give it a whirl. By the time we play it and sing it, it’s going to sound like us. We’ll give anything a try. But we haven’t tried Pink Floyd or anything like that yet.

Sounds like that’s what’s next.

Surrett: It’s not off the table.

Melton: We all grew up around this area where we were influenced by this common thread of Southern Appalachian culture and music. We all understand those timings and those concepts. We’ve all been around it our whole life. So, you go away and you learn different things, and when you come back, that history is the glue that puts it all together. Just like all our accents are the same. We don’t have family harmony. We got country harmony. That’s part of it. We don’t put t’s in “mountains.” It definitely helps to have some similar dialogue and accents and phrasing and stuff like that.

Surrett: It’s a rare thing for, as you well know, a bluegrass band to have five guys from the same ten-mile radius. It’s not a family relations-type thing, as far as we know. But it definitely brings a thread of commonness.

Melton: January will be 15 years, basically. That’s a long time for a bluegrass band of the same five guys to stay around.

Yeah, that’s amazing for a band when you can anticipate other people’s next move.

Surrett: We have several points in our program that are not really scripted. They just kind of organically happen. We know where it’s going, and you can feed off that and let songs change and morph. And it’s a lot of fun like that.

Melton: We’re just grateful to still be together after 15 years and for the many great people we’ve met along the road that we’ve missed seeing over the last year and a half. We’re so happy to see the music scene coming back around. Hopefully, we can all do a part to keep that alive. Like many things when you don’t have it is when you realize you need it. And music is so important to people’s lives. As it’s building back, it almost seems like there’s even more excitement prior to the shutdown. So, we’re just grateful for that and excited to be a part of it.


Photo Credit: David Simchock

WATCH: Rakish, “New Shoe Maneuver”

Artist: Rakish (Maura Shawn Scanlin, fiddle & Conor Hearn, guitar)
Hometown: Boston-Based (Conor is from Washington D.C., Maura is from Boone, North Carolina)
Song: “New Shoe Maneuver”
Album: Counting Down the Hours
Release Date: February 4, 2022

In Their Words: “This tune formed during a phase in which I was exploring the possibilities of three-part tune writing. There’s something about adding a third section that opens a tune up to more melodic and harmonic variety that is so hard to beat. The tune stems from the language of the bagpipes; it draws on much of the compact and cyclical melodic ideas that are at the center of the piping style. The idea for the name came about when I went over to Conor’s place to play some music and discovered that we’d both bought pretty much identical new running shoes without talking to one another about it. The title is a reflection of that coincidence. We had a really special time getting to make the live video of this track, which is the first single off of our upcoming album, Counting Down the Hours. It was filmed at a great neighborhood gallery near us called Gallery 263 on one of the last hot days of the summer with Dan Jentzen filming and Peter Atkinson audio engineering.” — Maura Shawn Scanlin, Rakish


Photo credit: Dan Jentzen

LISTEN: Carley Arrowood, “Letting Go Now”

Artist: Carley Arrowood
Hometown: From Union Mills, North Carolina, and currently living in Newton, North Carolina
Song: “Letting Go Now”
Release Date: November 5, 2021
Label: Mountain Home Music Company

In Their Words: “‘Letting Go Now’ is a bittersweet love song, co-written with my lovely friend, Becky Buller! It’s a lighthearted tune about how sometimes we can just be desperate to hang on to someone we’re sure is the right one, regardless of red flags. We try to silence all the warning signs, but they wind up speaking volumes, and we realize they aren’t as devoted as we are, and it’s hurting us worse if we don’t let go. I love how Becky added a ray of hope to the poor heart in the song, though: ‘There’s a greater picture, a plan that I can’t see…’ refers to God’s awesome plans for our lives, regardless of how we think they should go. I really enjoyed writing this with Becky. I’m so thankful for her friendship and look forward to sharing more co-writing experiences with her in the future!” — Carley Arrowood

Crossroads Label Group · Letting Go Now – Carley Arrowood

Photo courtesy of Carley Arrowood